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yeah, tell me about it.. college apps are a pain in the butt! (and the SAT.. man, i hated that. i like the ACT better) i'm glad i'm done with mine, just anxiously waiting (for them to reject me ;P) at this point. btw, i know a really good website that may help with colleges and such. check out fastweb.com :D should be somewhat useful. and good luck. x)
see. dont listen to me la somemore haha
good luck!! i think yale is the most prestigious of all in your list?
I went to college in the States when I was 17 (I am now 28 and considered the US my home). Are you sure you need a pre-u qualification to go to college in the US? I graduated from high school and was sent straight to college without a pre-u qualification.
I can't give you a lot of insight on where to go to school. There are a lot of different factors to consider and it's more of a personal preference. All I can say is that the midwest folks are way nicer (hint Chicago). I've been to NYC a couple of times and had horrible experiences while I was there. Sure, it can be a fun and luxurious trip. However, I found that true New Yorkers are so rude and uncaring!
You can always transfer to a different college if things does not work out. Good luck!
Try mixing Milo with Van Houten Cocoa powder. =)))
And I do know how it feels to leave everything behind. It seems like to me, yesterday is the day I set foot to school. Now, SPM is behind and hello college!
I guess what I am saying is that you have nothing to worry about and have TONS of things to look forward to when you come to the US. Honestly, I did not miss home or my family that much. I miss good Malaysian food though!!
p.s: no love for the west coast? :( pretty much all east coast and midwest schools huh
good luck on your SAT ! hope you find a lot of support here from your readers ^^
I'm applying to about 8 to 10 schools and it seems we have about 7 schools in common. Eee.
I was wondering, where do you take your SAT? MACEE? Cos I'm planning to study in US too..
Anyway, good luck in your college applications!
No need to write essays, no need pre-u qualification, no need any crap.
Just apply and no worries, you can start packing.
Best of all, you have Kevin Low to pick you up at the airport.
hahahahaha
just woke up! =Pp
Good luck. I'm surprised you didn't apply to any West Coast schools, but besides that I can't argue with your list, those are all very strong schools academically and I'm sure you'll have a good experience at any of them.
You also have to visit LA sometime even if you don't come to school out here. The East Coast is a wonderful place but the West Coast is a different experience altogether.
Also, I don't think American Universities give a rat's ass about A levels or pre-U. I went to the US right after high school to do my 4 year degree without wasting 1.5 - 2 years doing A Levels. What's important is your SAT results, the english language TOEFL crap, and your co-curricular activities and involvements, accomplishments etc.
But yeah, you'll love the US. And why no West Coast schools? California has the best weather, food and people :P
Really - you always come out tops even though you were reaaaaaallllly worried about how you went, remember? =)
I can totally see you at Columbia/ NYC or U of C somehow, but I think I've mentioned that before. Something about you and the vibe of a big city like NY/ Chicago =D
I thought US colleges didn't place as much premium on pre-u qualifications?! I'm sure you'll do fine on the personal statements/ application essays - you've got so much passion and verve AND the ability to express said passion and verve eloquently.
Ever considered mentioning this blog of yours in your application essays? Or the fact that you started blogging waaaaaay earlier than most folks out there? It certainly makes for an interesting insight into the inner working of Pinkpau, which I think is what US colleges are after, soul-baring stuff etc? =)
I only have about 1 cent worth of input when it comes to the US college application process as two, maybe three of my friends tops, were headed for the States.
Fastweb.com is a pretty good resource (as mentioned by Rachel) as is the Princeton Review and tinkosong.com, in addition to mainstream websites such as msnbc.com (US websites for US colleges, heh) to get a general feel for the admissions process.
Just a (quick and dirty) sampler:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14346427/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/?q=college+%2B+essays&...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14345597/
And don't worry sweetie, your best asset is YOU! And if I might say so, you're pretty fabulous OK? =D
ps: Andrew would be able to load you up with tips, as would other US students like Suet Li and Audrey maybe? You've got heaps of contacts babe!
What the US needs is something equivalent to a Year 12, because their high schools go on longer. For Malaysians that's Form 6/A Levels/Matriculation/Foundation/Pre-U. More of a logistical thing, than anything.
In that case, if you haven't done a Year 12 equivalent, then I'd think that your unis would be the LAST people to accept you. Mainly because they are:
a) Super competitive, and therefore look for any reason not to take you (hell, even geniuses get rejected...then again Yale did take in Dubya)
b) On the traditional side of things (NYU maybe a bit more alternative, but unis like Yale and Columbia DEFINITELY more traditional)
If your main criteria for university in the US is that they are willing to accept unusual circumstances for entry, you may be better off in alternative/unusual universities. Chances for financial aid are slightly lower (then again NYU is stingy - I was considering applying - and so are many "top" unis) and the education style is totally different, but in many cases is SO worth it. Because they have such a different outlook on education, they are willing to take into account different circumstances and possibly won't ding you just because you went up to Year 11.
Colleges That Change Lives has an AMAZING list. The book is great too (though the writer has the tendency to pronounce every school in there "the best school EVAR!!11`"), made me cry actually because I wished I was in those schools! Also read the Time article Who Needs Harvard? for a different perspective.
If you want to be really safe, BEFORE you apply, contact the admissions department of each university and ask them what their policy is on pre-U/Year 12. Tell them your situation and ask if it's viable for you to apply. Once you get those answers, you can cull your list. Saves time and money (US applications are EXPENSIVE. main reason I didn't go) because then you know you won't waste your effort only to be rejected over a technicality.
A lot of people tend to focus on the brand names (Harvard, MIT, ETC) and forget that there is quality education elsewhere in the world that just isn't as famous. Obscure doesn't always mean terrible. Hell, continental Europe has fantastic education for less than Australia's costs, and hardly anyone thinks of Denmark or The Netherlands as an education destination!
Good luck and keep us updated on how it goes :)
Swathmore?? Why?
One of the most important things that will help you decide which college to apply for is to decide your field of study. It's a bit ridiculous to apply for 12, honestly, just because they are "good" schools. You have to realize that in *every* school, there are good professors, and professors that make you regret you went to that school. Each school is known for different fields of study.
For example, U of Chicago is good for Economics. But for Business, you might do well to go to UPenn (Wharton is one of the best in the US). For Engineering, why the hell do you want to go freaking Swarthmore when you can go to U of Michigan.
After you sort out your field of study, then decide on the college environment. I find U of Chicago quite depressing. Chicago has some cool places to visit, but mostly it's industrial and bleak, and freaking cold in the winter. NYU is in New York.. very cool place to be. If your major will be into film-making.
Then you can, and should, google each college. You might find that a college is in a small town in the middle of nowhere, which might be something you hate or love. You might find your college is in a freaking large town, and accomodation is crazy expensive. Hey, it's the US. A (very) small apartment with crappy street parking can cost RM3,000 a month, versus a large townhouse for RM1,000 in a smaller city.
You should consider West Coast colleges as well, like UCLA, Berkeley. Stanford is freaking, freaking cool if you can afford it. Princeton is cool too.
Bottom line, you're wasting your time if you apply to all 12 before deciding what you'll be likely to study. You should know that you can always apply for a transfer after your freshman year if you prefer another school. You can take your credits with you, so you don't have to repeat when you get to the new school.
If you need to know more, feel free to email me.
best of luck in your SATs! You know that we're all rooting for you here! =D
and don't worry about getting in. with strong SAT scores and well-rounded activites (plus, as it goes without saying, well-written personal statements), i don't think you have that much to fear. concentrate on highlighting what makes you unique - US colleges love diversity.
there's been a lot said about the prestige of various schools - only take reputation into account FOR YOUR SPECIFIC INTERESTS - no point going to yale or harvard if the program you want there isn't as fantastic as that of a lesser known school. it's easy to be swayed by the glamour...
and yes, the midwest (i feel) is a tad more friendly, stereotypical as that is....
good luck! i'm on msn if you need any help.
this whole getting assignments done consistently just isn't working out for me cos i keep missing classes sigh.
anyway, all the best with the SATs. :D
but yeah, widen your choices to non ivy-league unis and you may be surprised.
all the best, su ann! you are so totally suited for the states!
Consider opportunities, consider room for exploration in other areas you might want to try. My personal opinion is that the real strength of a liberal arts education is not confined to your concentration, but in its ability to train you to be an innovative, critical thinker.
Get a good liberal arts education, and you can get involved in pretty much anything you want after you graduate, regardless of your field of study. I personally think Swarthmore is one of the best liberal arts colleges in the US.
at the same time, you don't have to go to a liberal arts college to get a well-rounded education. i'm personally a fan of liberal arts colleges, but i attend a public university, and i feel like i've gotten a pretty well-rounded education. from your list, there is no "best" ... in my opinion at least ... it's too hard to say "why would you go to x when you can go to y" they all have so many things to consider. ex: can you handle a very cutthroat, competitive environment ... what's your ideal class size ... are you familiar with how different the physical surroundings will be from what you're used to (ex: chicago and cornell), how important is it for you to be actually taught by the professor and not his graduate lackeys (lol). you will get a good education at any of the schools you have listed there. like countless people have said, it is possible to get a good education almost anywhere ... but you'll just have to make the choice about what suits your personality the best - on many different levels.
anyway it's too early to be worrying about this stuffs! worry about applications first, and THEN about choices ^-^ .... hope your exams went well.
p.s: i also applied to like 11 colleges and i don't feel that it's a waste. costly, but not a waste
i burst out laughing in the middle of the library at the "Swarthmore? WHY?????!!!" comment.
ROLFMAO hahahahahhaha
what course would you pursue in Cornell?
im looking to do my degree there after getting my diploma next year.
I'll just wait until you go to grad school, ;)............
... I'm sure u'll be just fine..
Imagine getting offer letters from all 12 Unis...
Lol
I just finished my SAT 2s 5 hours ago..>.
Of course the admissions process is a lot more complicated than that, and for all I know it just happens that unusual people apply more to Dartmouth than other places. (I would say it's one of the more unique schools in the Ivy League...)
To whoever was worrying about the peer rec, it's fine. They don't weight it heavily. From what I understand, the only thing that would jeopardise your friend's app is if you, for instance, mention that she cheated on an exam, or otherwise bring up some major problem. In rare cases a peer rec may make the difference, but I wouldn't worry about it.
what is your intended major?
There are just so many things I love about the college football experience. For example, I love the sheer incredible noise of 92,000 (yep, ninety-two THOUSAND) USC fans filling the stadium every Saturday and yelling and cheering at the top of their lungs. I love having absolutely no voice by the end of the games because I have been screaming for 4 straight hours. I love high-fiving and hugging random strangers when we score. It almost brings a tear to my eye to see people everywhere decked out in school colors as far as the eye can see, an ocean of cardinal and gold. I love being able to talk to anyone with even the remotest connection to USC and say "so how about our football team this year" and be able to talk with them for hours.
None of my friends who went to a school without a good football team can even remotely understand why the college football experience is so amazing, but it has definitely been one of the greatest aspects of my college experience.
whyohwhyohwhy.
Always be the pinkpau we used to know and better not suddenly change to pinkbun or something else.
Have fun studying and good luck in your future undertakings.
=)
i stumbled upon your blog looking for some food reviews.
glad you joined the rally, too bad you can't vote (you're so young!!! *cry*)
good luck w/ everything in life, especially w/ the uni you choose
don't know where to leave a comment so here it goes
p.s. coincidentally i'm identified as demonic marvin by my ... lol (i'm a girl, wth!)
lol couldn't help it.
but i really do mean it.
lishun : thank u once again babe! :D
alvin : but i have you to take care of me, right !
songjun : i was not being bratty and stubborn!!! well even if i was you coulda just grabbed me by the shoulders and said LISTEN UP, DO ALEVELS OR YOU WILL REGRET IT 2 YEARS FROM NOW! ah why didnt you???
sheon : your dad went to columbia??? *JEALOUS* will your dad write me a glowing recommendation letter if i bribe him with lots of cupcakes!
missie : for the schools im applying to, most of them state in their websites that international students should have pre-u :( some liberal arts schools are less strict about this however. which school did you go to? and i havent been to NY .. but i think i will love it there :) and yes transferring is my back up plan. let's hope i dont have to use it!
kennysia : ya haha so i can write an essay about how i am like Malaysia's top political blogger !!!!! i think it would help if i intended to major in political science. heeheehee. can you put a kennysia.com chop to verify my quiz results?!
michelle : yeah but nothing like personal testimony :) congrats on spm being over! i remember that being the best time of my life
sparky : thank you for the kind offer!! :)) will be emailing soon
missie : yes im very excited about going there to study :) i think it will do me wonders and give me an excellent education.
gray : seriously? which schools are you applying to?
johanny : yes! crown towers! gelato in the winter! vintage clothes! mucho shopping! st kilda's! swanston! <3 <3 <3
pau : i love the u of chicago questions! and nope, no love for the west coast... :P where are you applying to for med school?
fu han : hahaha! so it looks like we're both applying to a crazy number of schools. good luck in your apps! :) i hope you did your pre-u and are not going through the nervousness i am
pynk : i took my sats at metropolitan college, the only place you can take the sats in KL. you register online at www.collegeboard.com, not at macee. macee charges you more.
kevin : that means i will have you and eric and jeremy for housemates????
linsey : no you were in time :P thank u! but i think i did v badly :(
sarah : my advice is : write from your heart. i know its a cliche but it's a personal voice that they want to hear. also dont make her out to be totally perfect, but give one weak point (nothing too grave!!) and then say how she overcame this weak point of hers :)
jeff : i do NOT have incredible sat scores, as will be evident in about 2 weeks' time :( and you are totally looking after me if i ever come to LA
hw : where did you go to school? the schools im applying to DO look at pre-u unfortunately :( not so much the lib arts schools, but ironically im only looking at one of those which is Swarthmore. nope not west coast schools :P okay why dont you recommend me a few, and if they take the Common App, i'll research them and apply!
michael : sigh my dreams too
michellesy : the academic records are extremely important :( so no pre u = BIG handicap. haha i dont know about the blog thing ... on one hand i talked to a few people and they said i should and they gave reasons that i agree with. on the other hand, it just makes me nervous and may just be a disadvantage rather than an advantage. yes andrew and suet have been super helpful :))) and thank u so much for the links babe! trawling them now
tiara : thanks so very much for ur input, tiara :) it's always so enlightening to read what you have to say. i was doing an american credit transfer prog in taylors, unfortunately, not the alevels. i emailed some schools and checked their websites, and they say just so long as you accepted credit from a degree program, you MUST apply as a transfer. however, some have advised me to just include my adp transcript and say this is my pre-u. what do you think? to do that, or just exclude my transcript all together?
aw : but i'm really quite undecided as to what i want to major in :( so i figured applying to liberal arts schools would do me some good. i considered usc, ucla and ucberkeley, but their deadlines are all too tight. which school are you in? i wish i had the luxury of considering the weather and atmosphere of the school, but right now as long as even ONE school of my 12 accepts me, i would be overjoyed
liying : thank u so much :) :)
hanna : yeah must tell myself to stop being such a prestige whore :P sigh but i still think the lack of pre-u is such a horrible handicap. hey when you did adtp in inti, how many credit hours did you do?
voonkiat : thank u :))) gimme some of your cambridge luck and talent!!!
jiayoong : ooh then it's the american system you cant do. are you an exam mugger sort?
lishun : yeah i'm trying to cut down on some ivies seeing how i'm being made aware that i have absolutely zero chance of getting in without pre-u :P YALAR DAMN EXPENSIVE WAN EVERYTHING
foreverjas : what pre-u did you do? my biggest tip about personal statements : speak from the heart and make sure your essay stands out from the thousands and thousands that the admissions ppl will read. be really original :)
claire : sats arent pre u unfortunately!
ben franklin : i'm really very undecided as to what i want to do, which is why the american system appeals so much to me. at this point, if i had to apply based on my intended major, i would be at a total loss. and yes i've heard such good things about swarthmore :)) thank you for your input, gave me something to think about in regards to my field of study
pau : yes, i think no matter where i go, i'll be getting an excellent education :) so while i have my dream schools, i'm really not going to kick and scream if i have to go elsewhere. i'm really just very excited to be studying in the US :)
kiasu andrew : it's a question i should be able to answer very well, seeing how it's the swat app essay prompt :P
kim : i dont have my field of study yet. so im applying to their school of arts and sciences
jeff : this is GREAT! dont poor pinkpau me :P i'm loving all the advice!!!
anonymous : THANK YOUUUU :(((( im so scared that i wont get into any of my schools
smiley : eh dont simply simply screw me. haha even getting 2 letters would be a dream come true
jayne : as did i, at your time of comment!
johnleemk : lots of people apply before their A2 is over, right? sigh i so wish i had done pre-u. but gonna try and see how i can package this now :)
tomatoinc : dont have one yet :) im too interested into too many fields!
jasmine : thank u :) very good advice. i must admit i'm extremely swayed by college rankings. sigh!
dan-yel : hahaha america dont have soya bean =(
sureindran : i dont know what i want to study yet, but i think this shouldnt be a problem seeing how the american system leaves so much room for dipping your toes in just about every field there is to dip your toes in :)
smartypants i am very SCARED!!!!
sam : what he thinks and feels is not a priority to me anymore
zz : im applying for financial aid :) too broke for the 30000-40000 USD / year!
miss.cc : GO DO PRE-U. dont make my mistake!
dan yel : okay will check my calendar :)
wan siong : i would NEVER forget malaysia. NEVER. unless the people vote in najib as PM, in which case i would die.
killswitch : hehe thank u :) the rally was amazing.
therealanon : HELLO??? i DID join the adp prog! and regretted it like crazy!! *smacks u
jimmy : thank u :))) i know you mean it.
When I tried applying to Australia, different unis had different ideas on requirements. QUT accepted me within 5 minutes - I had some Limkokwing transcripts, and that was good enough. XD UQ wanted the originals, which I lost. UNSW didn't even understand my LUCT certs -_-;;
picking a school that can accommodate all of these things are the best. thats why ivy league schools have it all. you can walk in not having anything planned, and walk out in the best of places.
must be cause i spew too much silliness :P
anonymouscleaner has good advice - though Dartmouth can't really offer you the city campus experience (unlike most of the other Ivies). The nearest thing to a city is West Lebanon, which is a five minute drive away; if you want a proper city, you have to take a 2-hour bus ride to Boston. (Though I suppose you know all that already.)
P.S. If you want to be a corporate/I-banking whore, Dartmouth is perfect. You're virtually guaranteed a job - the companies drive up here to pimp you. Though I suppose you know this as well. I keep forgetting it was Eng Han who sold you on Dartmouth.
Sigh ... Its sad how local bloggers goes to other country and suddenly ... their blog turns into a all self devoting shrine featuring all the glitzy stuff that we can only read about...
(i'm as much of a ratings whore as you are [but then again, i'm a graduate student, hence university mates, c.f. course mates.].)
But, I'm slightly disappointed.
bribe him with cupcakes? ahahahah.........no need lar. i'll ask him if his words still carries weight or not... ok?
and i think northwestern accepted 15 of my credits? i was a sophomore and a half when i got there, lol. fantastic, because it left plenty of space for fun classes that didn't have to count towards my grade (pass/fail) or for light-on-classes, heavy-on-activities quarters. :)
So, who brought you to Petra that one time? Lol... now I'm so curious.
Good luck in your apps too! I'm pretty sure you'll rock it.
Omg guess what, I saw you at Metropolitan that day and wanted to greet you, but you left pretty early. Sheesh. Honestly, your blog is really terrific. Kudos to you.
Currently, I'm in NYU. Yale does not accept transfer students, you have to join as a freshman. I think it applies to most of the Ivy League unis. Anyways, all the best.
I really salute you for managing 12 apps la. I'm only doing 5 at the moment and my brain already feels like it's been turned into food garnish
Good luck for your SATs : ) I'm sure they'll be a cinch for you!!
but the number of university in my list is only half of yours =)
all the best to us !! (and to those who are applying too =D )
*can't wait to finish*
Only way to skip Pre Uni is with colleges that have direct affiliation with the uni in question. Or they have some arrangement prior. Other then that, most unis WILL not accept you not havin any pre uni. You must have at least gone thru a diploma or a foundation course.
Pau : yea as if me asking u to shut up and force u to do something will make u do that thing anyway :P haha
I know it will be really expensive to tour the schools you're accepted to, but since they all seem to be East Coast schools, you should try to get them all at once.
Also, while you're there, see if you can talk to any students to see how they honestly feel about the school, whether they are stressed out, whether there are a lot of fun activities to do on campus, etc.
Since they are all strong academic schools, this will help you differentiate which are good schools that it would be fun to be at and which ones which are great academically but terrible socially.
gluck
Well even better then, you've skipped the pre-u bit XD
Really do clarify with the university before you do anything. Tell them your EXACT situation, your ADP and the SATs and whatever 3 letter acronym thing you have, and ask if that's OK or not. If they say no, then drop them off the list. If they're cool with it, apply.
USA is a pain as far as paperwork is concerned and you really need to make sure all your paperwork is in order first before you even think of applying.
As far as songjun's point on credit: from my experience, they don't really care where the credit comes from, whether it's affiliated or not. Sure, with affiliated unis it is a little easier because they recognize the name. But again, as long as you have your paperwork in order you should be fine. Most American unis require you to send in your course outline details to a 3rd party to get credit counts anyway.
and YES to the references. Get them from Ivy, from the people you've worked with, whoever. As long as they're not from your family, it's fair game. US unis LOVE references, it's required, but it's often also the one thing that delays you because people are lazy :P Get them now when you still can.
but all the best to you!!! somehow, i think you would suit a liberal arts college, why not Mt. Holyoke? it's one of the seven sisters, and you have friends there as well.
Other West Coast schools that are great are USC, UCLA, Stanford (might break your bank though). One thing about applying to University of California schools is that you apply to the UC system, and you just choose a bunch of UC schools and they will submit your application to each one of them, FYI.
Swarthmore is pretty damn good for liberal arts from what I hear. If you ask me, I think ivy is a bit overrated :P But nevertheless good schools.
Don't fret too much though if you're still undecided on what you want to study, since the first two years are mostly general education (though you'd have to take some classes to satisfy prerequisites for your intended major), but it's best to have an idea of what you want to major in, or at least a list of fields you want to major in.
But whatever it is, education in the US is probably one of the best decisions you will make. You just learn SO much. And I echo Jeff/Jasmine's statements that you have to experience college football and the Greek life. :P
and don't forget to blog, wherever you may be!
All of a sudden, politics came into the topic.
How did that happen?
Hahaha..
Anyway, I stand fully by your side on your views of Najib being PM.
Speaking of politics, if you are interested in knowing how does "Pak Lah's" aircraft looks like which they bought during the beginning of the year, click on the link below.
http://wansiong.blogspot.com/2007/10/pak-lahs-a...
good-luck sweetie =p
1) someone who knows you very well
2) someone who doesn't know you at all
3) someone who is a good writer
i think it's very good advice, the only problem is, finding the good writer to review my essay *hint hint* hahaha.
but probably martian could be both 1) and 3) for you. ;)
I also absolutely adore this place, so I rather highly recommend it.
I was there too.