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Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:11:17 -0000

totally agree with you...but my teachers don't agree with what the textbooks say and encourage us to develop our own sense of right and wrong because the facts in the textbook are all doctored...one of my teachers even commented that malays are immigrants also and that only orang asli are the original ppl here. i think they dare to make comments like this is because i am in a chinese private high sch...lol...damn liberal man.

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sheila — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:48:26 -0000

glad to know there is a young malaysian so passionate and not ignorant.. with all the malaysian politics stuff ;)

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anonymous coward — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:10:21 -0000

look what the fuck have you idiots done. enjoy your PAS government you stupid fucks.

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

chanzhe — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:45:54 -0000

There is no doubt that BN has done something for Malaysia, but BN too has failed Malaysia.

The total corruption of Malaysian Judiciary has put Malaysia to shame! What is independence of Judiciary that has been promoted all these while? Who should we rely on when there is court case where we are on the right side? Vincent Tan to pay for the accused means the verdict of us losing! This is not supposed to be the situation! Where is the promise to fight the corruption that's being broadly announced as BN manifesto in 2004?

Things have been proven correct that we, the people shouldn't put too much of mandate to the goverment to run a country on their own, without listening to any objection raised by the opposition because of the 2-3rd majority they were holding. And of course, we can't rely on the MP of the BN to voice out disagreement as they are FORCED to vote even if they personally don't agree with the party! What more is when the parliament is being filled with people who can't even answer questions and blatant ignorant(like CMF)! People were being victimized.

I am happy this time, because of the arising o professional candidates with good qualifications. I sincerely hope that the opposition will deny 2-3rd majority of BN and our parliament will have more QUALIFIED MPs.

*most Singapores MPs have degrees from well-known institutions, our malaysia's MPs? >> some have only primary school qualification(samyvellu) =.=" how can u expect an efficient government?

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

nymph — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 04:25:14 -0000

in the days running up to the election, our "Dear Leader" has threated us continually with chaos and instability if we even think about voting for the opposition. so wipe that thought off your mind.

HOW DARE HE? HOW DARE HE THREATEN US?

"Dear Leader",
didn't you get the memo? WE ARE YOUR BOSS!

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

Jules — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:53:41 -0000

hey there! im behind u 100% on this.i feel the same way and me and my dad have been discussing politics non-stop since the start of the elections.after 50years, if it is a risk we must take to vote for the opposition, then why not after all these years?look at australia for example.the once opposition party is now the ruling party today.ppl there have not been afraid to voice out that they're sick n tired of the government.they want change n they're not afraid to demand for that.just my thoughts anyway :)

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johnleemk — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:20:46 -0000

silentobserver:

I agree that BN will win the elections - but again, I don't see the logic in saying "BN will win, so therefore I should vote BN." Voting for the best individual candidate only works in a real two-party system. In an authoritarian "democracy" like Malaysia's, there isn't much choice if we actually want to hold the government accountable - to punish them for their poor governance, we have no choice but to vote against their candidates, regardless of how good their candidates in our constituencies actually are.

I'd also beg to differ on the opposition forming the government - I used to share your skepticism, but I see reason for cautious sentiment now. Many opposition candidates, and the most promising leaders, are technocrats educated at some of the best universities in the world. If you read their manifestos and objectively compare them with BN's, I believe you would find it hard to say that BN is significantly more competent when it comes to governance - if anything, 50 years of power have made them far too complacent.

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BN hater — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:12:26 -0000

its true that civil servants have their identity disclosed in their ballots in democratic msia. one of my parents is a police officer, and was required to send the ballot in an envelope for postal, and the envelope bares the name of the voter. anyhow, my parent was so sick with BN, and eventually voted for the opposition despite the risk.

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

Charmaine — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:28:05 -0000

For those who wanna vote and don't wanna vote, please feel free to read this.

http://business.theage.com.au/malaysia-needs-a-...

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

silentobserver — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:04:45 -0000

johnleemk:
Hmm, ok I see your point. It is hard to see the logic in just voting for the candidate and not the party. But as for me, I'm not "pro-govt" or "anti-govt". Because honestly and realistically, I think BN will still win. So the most we can do is do our best to put up more useful people who will fight to make those changes. Because yes, I still believe that those dissenters did make a difference somehow, no matter how minute as we see them to be.

I also have a problem with the logic of having another party as the government because at this point in time, is there any potential one? Can we realistically say that we can see DAP, PKR, or PAS as the ruling party? If I'm not mistaken they tried forming BA in the past but had problems themselves. Having opposition parties in a democratic country is good, but do the current ones really have a vision or a realistic one for the country? Or do they exist just to oppose the government?

Anyway it's great to see that you know quite a bit about politics. Because despite my seemingly over-passionate ramblings, I have to admit I'm not maestro in this politics business. I really hope you are one of the few who are making that sincere decision for the best of our country as a whole (and I believe so, :))

and may you make that choice I can't, wisely.

p/s once again I apologize for my previous comments' choice of words

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

johnleemk — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:40:35 -0000

silentobserver:

So let me boil this down to a simple couple of sentences: if the government fails, we should give them another chance. Rinse and repeat for the next five hundred years. Am I the only one who sees a problem with this logic?

Sure, it is a waste of time if we keep electing impotent governments. But I say it is a bigger waste of time to elect the same impotent incumbent government, rather than trying to elect potential alternatives which could easily be good or bad. With BN, we have an expected value of 100% corruption and racism. With the opposition, the expected value is definitely not 100%, which in itself makes the only reasonable choice the opposition.

I agree that dissenters within the government aren't given enough credit. The problem with the seductive "change from within" argument is that BN doesn't want to change. That's why they give these dissenters the boot in the first place. They send their dissenters to compete against opposition candidates in tough constituencies - if the dissenters win, BN has a huge majority in Parliament to force them to STFU. If the dissenters lose, then we have an equally worthy set of dissenters from the opposition who won't STFU.

When the whole system itself is designed to fight change - when it is drawn up on a fundamentally wrong basis - there is no point in trying to "change from within". The system itself has to be reformed. You can't eradicate racial politics by playing racial politics, but that's what you have to do to rise to the top in BN. Gerakan tried to do this, and instead BN has changed Gerakan. From the only true multiracial party in the country in 1969, thrashing both UMNO and MCA candidates, they have become an entirely Chinese party this election.

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

silentobserver — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:48:56 -0000

i admit that i really dont know the full story about the political situation... but i know i'm not alone on that... the news these days are so biased... one is super pro-govt, the other is super anti-govt... there are hardly any objective people left... i hope i'll reach that objectivity...

johnleemk: about the good MPs...
from the heated comments i read from kennysia's blog, there were also some people who fought and got kicked out from the party, etc for toeing the line... i really REALLY respect that, it took alot of balls to fight for what they believe in... but even the people whom you listed down.. i think they knew what they were doing... i don't think its easy sitting down and letting shit things you don't agree with take place... but instead of "berani dengan membuta tuli (moral spm wtf)" i think they thought they could do some changes in things WITHIN their power... firstly, they had to endure shit from the party, then they have to endure the ungrateful ppl who call them "dogs" for listening to their superiors... -_- it sucks lorr... i REALLY think these ppl are not given due credit at all.... they are so much smarter than we think they are... some might say (the annoying ones that talk alot) the changes might be hardly noticable, but THEY DID SOMETHING TO MAKE THAT CHANGE...
thing is, our forefathers suffered alot of shit also, but did they give up? we have to persevere... instead of, oh, this government is shitty, let's overthrow them... then the next one comes into power, oh shitty also, let's overthrow them... won't we just be wasting precious development time??? at least now we know there are donkeys and kutus and whatever nots in the government... THEY ARE EXPOSED... the new ones? can you REALLY guarantee they are squeaky clean? won't it take MORE TIME finding these parasites? all i'm saying is that keep the good, throw the bad as much as we can... i think its faster this way and it'll save our country alot of precious time..
p/s sorry about the "shit"s used and if i seemed rude... i'm not angry.. just that i spent alot of time thinking about this and i need to get it out of my system.. i appreciate your reply and thoughts... i think i'm too passionate for my own good... -_-

and seriously, i think most (ie not all) young people are just complaining it's hard for the non-malays to make it big in Msia... doesn't that show we're just greedy? are we REALLY interested in the country's development or we're just sore we can't own 10 ferraris and 1123756 prada bags as easy (something i don't really believe) THAT race? i might be wrong to say this, but many youths especially just see the fact that it's harder to make money in msia... i agree this situation is not ideal at all... but are we suffering? yes there are hardships, but all that just makes us stronger... the great ppl we know of today who lived and died had to go through alot of shit to be where they are/were lor...
how much toil, sweat, tears, lives did it take our forefathers for us to be where we are today? do we really have a right to complain? we're definitely nowhere near japan, UK, US or whatever, but are we living in trees without internet access, uneducated, etc? sad truth is, we just want more for ourselves... i understand about wanting the best for our future generation, but we should see it as hardships make us more whole people... more appreciative, better individuals...
saying so, it's no excuse to be complacent with the current situation... there is injustice that i totally don't agree with either.. that's why we have to fight!!!!

i understand the anger, i do... i suffered from the discrimination just as any ah chong next door, but just dont let that blind our brains..

oh, my name is supposed to be an irony.. i'm so not silent... i really can't just sit here and do nothing while things are happening back home...

i was kicking myself for being idealistic.. but i was thinking today (ALOT) and i think our country needs a vision... just because i say politics is dirty it is SUPER SUPER DUPER TROUPER difficult to get rid of this corruption doesn't mean i condone it at all... i cannot stand those kutus and donkeys sitting in the seats as well.. there are really good candidates from all parties... let's vote for the ones who will stand up for righteousness and truth regardless of their parties?

disclaimer: i'm not on a PSD scholarship, or any government related bonds just in case anyone says BN bribed me.. -_-

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

Bridget — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:37:27 -0000

I cant agree more. Young Malaysians should definitely vote! and for pete's sake, so what if khairy jamalludin can speak good english?! he might be the big bright shining star in THEIR community because he's probably the only one who speaks good english and if the Malaysian education system is so great why does he need oxford? These Malaysian's dato and datin and yb's kids should all be in the local unis. Whatever happened to support our local products anyway?

OMG! i just soooo hate them!

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

Jeffrey — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:28:24 -0000

It appears that in the rural areas of Malaysia, the people are still
so poor that they will gladly accept a few ringgit to vote for the
BN, something which no opposition party or independent candidate is
in the position to offer them.

Forget about all the “support” that they give to any opposition
candidate during the campaign period. This is merely to up the “ante”
so that more money and promises are forthcoming from the BN (and if
they are lucky, from the opposition candidates as well). They think
that they are being smart. They of course fail to realize that they
are only deceiving themselves.

This act of self-deception has drastic consequences for them and for
all of us over the next 5 years or so after any election, but will
they ever learn? It has been going on for the last 50 over years.

Ironically, especially in the Malay-majority constituencies, it is
not even necessary for the BN to pay anything other than for some
token food and drinks for the voters. These are the voters who will
believe anything and everything that the BN and the BN-controlled
media will tell them.

Will the BN prove yet again that it can fool most Malaysians all the time?

The situation is so bad that in some if not most of these areas, the
saying goes that even if you put a monkey under the BN symbol, it
will win. And there are many BN YB’s who are arguably worse than
monkeys (and that includes KJ). The only reason they are picked is to
be yes-men (or yes-monkeys) to the Prime Minister. Just give them
their daily bananas.

UMNO is only too happy to let the Prime Minister, arguably now
the sleepiest and most ineffective politician in the country, to get
away with it as long as he delivers the goods each election – how is
never the question.

Malaysians have still not woken up to the full extent that
their country's wealth and resources have been stolen, siphoned off
or wasted (thought sheer inefficiency and mismanagement) by UMNO and
their cronies, leaving the rest of us for generations to come to pay
for the damage.

This being the case, it is doubtful that the 9th Malaysia Plan’s
avowed intentions of eradicating poverty, etc. will work, since most
of the allocations meant for the poor will be stolen by the BN
monkeys who are about to be voted in to Parliament or rather by the
sleepy zoo-keeper, Pak Lah and his cronies and family, UNLESS the
people really have a say in it and say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!"

After all, the people will end up paying for it themselves. Where
else in the world can you find people paying to get cheated and
stolen from?

That is democracy Malaysian style. The people deserve what they get!
Too bad, I couldn't vote this time as I'm still 19 going on 20.
So my dear Malaysians, VOTE WISELY THIS TIME!

PS: Are you studying in taylors?

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

wookie — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:47:40 -0000

Well, I've blogged about almost the same issue but from a different perspective. But I do agree on the part of how youngsters felt about being Malaysians. Not that they want to ignore it, they just think their very existence couldn't do anything and I blame that on the government. At this point of time, sad to say I feel them too especially when they talked about moving out of Malaysia. I too feel it. Mainly because I wanted to be able to report freely on corruptions if they ever have some or even about something bad on the government. What kind of policy is this?

I really didn't want to be tied down by governmental policies even before I go out to work, because I don't want to live a life of secrecy and pain of knowledge about the government's sins and yet do nothing about it.

Ah well, just a ramblings of a 19 going on to 20 year old kid. Hopefully our blog posts could make a difference to anyone. Cheers.

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

Mel — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:38:47 -0000

Even the world are aware of the unfairness in our elections/voting systems...

http://news.my.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp...

Rest not. At least we will give it a shot by voting this coming election. Perhaps, with each 1 vote, it will make a lot of difference..

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

johnleemk — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 06:02:51 -0000

(That should be "hit us so hard compared to the rest of the world.")

anonymous coward:

I think most of us support PAS either because we recognise that unlike BN, they will have no choice but to engage in dialogue with the other parties in Parliament. UMNO in BN rides roughshod over everyone else. There are checks even within the opposition. Realistically speaking, neither the DAP nor PAS can ever form the government, unless one or both radically alter the base of their party - the DAP seems to be slowly moving there, and PAS has also been taking small steps to moderate their previously radical stances.

Regarding the NEP, if PKR doesn't end the NEP, vote them out la! Why is it so hard to do that? If PKR doesn't do it, we are still the same as we would be under BN, no? We have nothing to lose by voting for a party that at least acknowledges the NEP has failed, rather than voting for Barisan "NEP has failed, so we must extend it indefinitely" Nasional.

Hisham may have been mocked for his keris-waving, but the fact is, he's not alone. Many grassroots leaders support this kind of radical behaviour. It wasn't for nothing that Najib threatened to bathe his keris in Chinese blood 20 years ago, or that so many delegates have consistently stood up at the UMNO AGMs over the years to lambaste the non-Malays and make violent threats against them. I personally know people in UMNO Youth who aren't like this, but I strongly suspect they are not representative of the true face of UMNO or BN.

silentobserver:

Under other circumstances I would definitely agree. In this case, I cannot. With its constantly unshakeable majorities in Parliament over the years, BN has gotten complacent. It sees no need to tolerate dissenting views. I can reel off a list of good men and women in BN, from all races and parties, who have been stymied by BN's refusal to let them vote their conscience. Shahrir Abdul Samad, Zaid Ibrahim, S. Sothinathan, Lim Keng Yaik - all have paid the price for refusing to toe the party line.

I like good MPs as much as the next guy. But as long as bad guys in BN force these good MPs to vote against what they feel is right, I cannot support any BN candidate.

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johnleemk — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 05:53:54 -0000

songjun:

Actually PKR has correctly identified the reason why we have been especially hit hard by inflation. If you read their manifesto, they point out that price controls and quotas on how much you can buy (WTF la, can only buy one bag of sugar at the supermarket during festive season) have made the problem worser by disincentivising firms to continue supplying basic necessities, and also by discouraging competing firms from entering the market to drive down prices. PKR's recognised that the fault lies precisely in BN's misguided attempts to control prices.

Having said that, they are still stuck on subsidising petrol, unlike the DAP which has moved on. But both parties in their alternative budget/economic agenda have correctly pointed out the root source of why inflation has hit us so hard.

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

songjun — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:33:56 -0000

lol not only does mr anwar pander to different crowds with different rhetorics, the opposition 'supporters' who are out to 'fight the BN machine' also plays the same game.

reference : http://youtube.com/watch?v=nzK5BAt8ets - Anwars promise of bringing down petrol prices, and that while he was Finance Minister up till 1998, prices didnt go up. Hmm.. yes.. anwar magically controls market prices of crude oil :D

bettermalaysia.com - activisit blaiming government for commodites and prices going up. Yes, with food prices around the world going up together with crude prices, its BN's fault our subsidised Flour, rice and sugar is raising in price

Anyone remember when Anwar happily jumped on to Mahathir's band wagon after saying all sorts of things about UMNO etc? From liberal, to conservative to liberal? Turncoat? or Opportunist?

When opposition complain about how 'unfair' or how dirty BN does, why doesnt it not take the higher moral stand and play fair? Then at least we can see you walk the walk and talk the talk. Because as far as I can see, voting people like that will just bring about another bought of 'cronism' by different people.

I honestly think DAP deserves more credit then any other party, PKR is a semantic driven party and PAS is just playing Market Orientation.

DAP has proven itself thru and thru but sadly, the opposition cant get its damn act together to even put up a fight. The previous 'alliance' fell apart due to PAS's 'stronger' majority.

To all non bumi's saying how horrible their situation is, yes, we all know how bad u guys have it. But consider this, wherever there is a majority, it will supress its minority in some form. Complaining about how non malays cant get positions of authority? Singaporean malays in the army rarely get promoted to even Officer positions.

Remove NEP? Nay. Stick with it, but remove racial priority and instead fix to baseline income rates. Lower income, higher support.

Vote DAP :D Teresa Kok rox my sox :D haha

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

silentobserver — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:30:28 -0000

i really like the fact that people bother about politics nowadays.. good stuff btw... :)

i'm a chinese studying in the UK and sadly, too young to vote. i so totally agree about the people who complain and not vote.. but also, we complain complain complain and don't do anything else. ie, if we mean business, we should step up, go into politics and see what we can do to change... not meaning all 10 million (or more ppl wtf) dissatisfied citizens go into politics, but if we have no one stepping up, we will forever be going "our government sucks ladida..."...

as much as we diss BN, how much can we say that the opposition party is any better? yeah BN messes with you head, but the opposition party does that too lor... the whole anwar singing different songs to different crowds...

politics is dirty... ppl don't want to get involved but we expect things to be all butterfly-and-rainbow-ish.. we expect other ppl to do all the dirty work and we enjoy earning millions of bucks (other countries lah, how to earn here wtf)... our forefathers sacrificed their most of their lives fighting for Malaysia lor... again, what do we really want? yes, voting makes a difference, but if you want to fight, have to go to war lor... and not just complain that the tanks are used to shoot coconut trees for soldiers to drink coconut juice wtf...
sometimes i think it's so easy to comment from the sidelines.. and yeah, it is true it looks like our government is not getting anywhere but i also don't think it is easy governing such a multi-cultural country with so much to think about... development, religions, stability, each races' wellbeing etc..

omg why am i so idealistic wtf... please lah potential ppl step up... in the mean time, imo, don't vote just because "BN sucks" or "i blindly support the government" but vote for the candidate whom you think you can trust, that will make a diff, that'll do good in your constituency... (but then again.. how to trust politicians right? haha) because how much can we really cleanse? can we guarantee that the other party we're voting for is 100% pure? can we purge these evil from the world? erm.. food for thought... :D

sigh.. i should go study now and shut up baibai

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

anonymous coward — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:29:28 -0000

oh please. you seriously think pas and pkr are going to abolish the NEP? GTFO. and you think pas is just going to smile and nod every time your beloved dap starts making noise about malaysia being secular (and it's not. article 4, READ IT) ?

.. and yes, keep on talking about migrating, and how things are better out there and how you've made your fortunes outside.. the umnoputras will just cite it as evidence about how disloyal "those people" are and convince the makciks and pakciks that they, and ONLY THEY, can protect their wellbeing and prosperity.

I'm an umnoputra and i hate KJ more than you can imagine, but if you think he's horrible because he's a racist, you really are naive and need to read more newspapers. You don't even know how hishamuddin was mocked and ridiculed even in umno circles because of his keris-waving antics now don't you? i bet you don't.

as for hindraf, have you any idea how stupid those hindraf idiots were? congratulations on breaking up the sense of unity of purpose bersih forged. thanks to their open letter to gordon brown, you've just united umno against a common external enemy, given them someone new to hate instead of their internal struggle over the softness and incompetence of the wak dol regime.. bet you didn't know wak dol's nominees for the umno supreme council got mauled in the 2006 party elections didn't you?

my point is, the opposition has proven itself adept at self-sabotage, better than what the bn media machine could do (look up "harakah effect" ) to smear them. enjoy 4 more years of this, watching from far away america while we have to put up with this shit IN OUR FACES

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

SPR — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:36:53 -0000

Yes i was rite at the time when i wrote my piece. EC the scumbag tan sri Rashit is the devil.

Can we spit at these devils?

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

habri — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:32:29 -0000

I think in the next GE, the opposition will make strong impact if more young peoples aware about issues and speak up. We need to create more awareness among the younger generation about issues surrounding them. Ask them to actively involved in political process instead of become a political party member.

Sad to say this, but the young & sophisticated non-Malay should engage & mingle more with the Malays if you want to bring change in Malaysia. I hope with the urbanization process among the Malay, they will be more progressive in their thinking and ready to accept meritocracy and competition and do away with DEB. To ensure this happen, every Malaysians must be play their part.

During my recent discussion with Malay & Chinese peers, the biggest stumbling block for the young Malays (most of them not a professional) to accept so called meritocracy is the reality in their workplace where racism still exist. Hard to quantify but we must discuss this issues openly.

Some said the Malays are lazy and some said why bother, this is my company and government do the same thing to us. Its like chicken and egg situation and the victim are the poor bumi & non-bumi (sorry i have to used this word to describe the situation) So my simple solution is it must start from the government & private sector (including Malay company) to create a win-win situation and hopefully can bring better future for all in the long term. Another thing is please mingle and talk to different peoples from different races, only then we can know the real issues and discuss and debate with them openly.

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

Overseas Malaysian — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:09:11 -0000

SPR,you are wrong,the SPR just decided to scrap the plans for using indelible ink today.They must be up to some dirty tactics again.

Re: Come On, Young Malaysians

Yang Guo — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:59:44 -0000

Budden ler the Opposition ain't exactly all sanctimonious ler, remember Anwar was responsible for alot of the racist Pro-Malay policies before he was jailed for backdoor-ing, and now he's supposed all for equal rights for all races...

For me most politicians are dirty ler, they pander to whatever cause that will garner them the most support ler, BN fans racial issues to get it, while the opposition advocates equal rights only because its the only way for them to distinguish themselves from BN...

Still, if I were eligible to vote (I'm 1 year too young), I'd vote for the Opposition anyway, simply because we need more people in the Parliament to combat those racist biggots from BN. That's all we can hope for I think, because realistically BN can't be beat, at least not in this election

Budden ar, Su Ann, I'm quite politcally unenligtened ler, how is it that you are able to gain so much knowledge on the local political scene?