DISQUS

george · 3 years ago

do you think dan brown could be the devil himself? the way they speak about the book its as if dan brown was the devil himself! hrm..could he be?! lol

pinkpau · 3 years ago

i know, right? *rolls eyes* what, really, is so wrong about what he wrote? is it really so bad if Jesus was married? how does that contradict christian teachings?

jimmy · 3 years ago

excellent post.

was thinking of my relationship with god too some time before,

and i believe that i fear god more than i love Him.

gaa.

reallybites · 3 years ago

i'll be very very very very free.VERY.

bout the book,i like it lo.end of story.

Lalita · 3 years ago

Faith should be a personal thing like you say. Personally, I've never gone in for blindly believing everything you're taught. And that aunty going up and criticising the talk sounds like she has issues. At least they had the talk to address any questions etc. right? Some people are so small minded. And that first person who said what's written in the book is all true - haiya. Where was her eyes when they did the Dan Brown interview and he said it was all fiction! Like you said, if your faith is unwavering, then nothing - book or otherwise should be able to shake it.

cK · 3 years ago

loved the book...but ending a bit....cacat ler....already predicted the ending...

i had bad experiences with some churches/pastors few years ago... my view towards christianity totally changed after that...

Jay · 3 years ago

Have you ever seen the Last Temptation of Christ with William Dafoe? That movie was attacked just like the DVC. The movie claim that right before he died, the devil offered him a deal and he took it. The deal changed history and be married Mary and had many kids. But, I think the kicker for the film was the sex scene with mary and christ. The movie ended with christ disliking the future and asking the devil to change back time and withdraw the deal. And then, the story continue just like in the bible.

yixing · 3 years ago

I agree. (if i got the right gist of what you're saying, that is.) I feel like so many faithful church-going christians live in a very small world, and miss out on a much bigger picture. striving to live a righteous and holy life (not that one shouldn't) often feels sterile. Where is the passion and risk and love?
If Jesus were here today, would he be sitting in church being spoonfed the same old theology again and again every Sunday? Probably not.

karl · 3 years ago

hey su ann..ure rite u noe..everything u said,although i oni read a few pages of it..haha..
there was this sunday i went to charis youth service,u remember pastor victor wong? used to be from agape church..anyway..he was giving a talk on DVC book..he listed everything tat was contradict to the bible..wat was made up n so..then at the end he was like "i strongly agree all of u to read this book! n tat we noe wats going on and also for us to build our faith..defending ourself in a way tat when ppl ask us question like how ur fren asked u..making us aware wats going on wit our world today..so yeah..think im gona try reading it again..hee

apples · 3 years ago

i guess what the churches' intentions are to try to stop the DVC for the sake of those who are NOT strong in their faith.
but yeah, i agree that the whole vendetta thing they have going on is kinda pathetic. the way they're going around it is pretty sad. after all, the book is JUST FICTION. my church's pastor is advocating against it, but i'm still gonna watch the movie anyways :D

Jee · 3 years ago

It's always a matter of choice, if those who embrace jesus are weak enough to question their believe just becoz of a simple book.. let it be.

Religious matter aside, DVC is an entertaining fiction.. love it.

meanoldman · 3 years ago

dvc was lifted off another book called bloodline of the holy grail whose authors purported their findings as historical facts. (the authors recently lost a copyright lawsuit against dan brown on the basis you CAN base a creative story on historical facts) so while dvc is fiction, the underlying dan brown historical plot is supposedly, the bloodline authors claim, fact, not fiction.

it is a correct act that the christian institutions defend their faith and rebuts the dvc points. but it is wrong to discourage, even omit to encourage, ppl to hv a balanced view.

pinkpau · 3 years ago

jimmy : but why? should be the other way around :( there should be a little bit of fear (i need to learn this) but definitely a lot more love.

reallybites : haha that's more than enough :)

lalita : actually, blindly believing (because we ultimately will never be able to provide empirical proof) is the basis of faith .. so i guess we all need a little bit of that :) but the more important question is WHY one blindly believes, is it because s/he was brought up as a christian, or because s/he truly feels God? and yes the aunty had some issues. i totally support the talk being held, though i think they could have handled some things better.

cK : haha really?? DVC was my first Dan Brown book, and i was so shocked when the ending was revealed. but come Angels and Demons, Digital Fortress i could predict the ending. his style is very one-track, but still, the crafty intelligence of his plot is astounding!

jay : again, fictitious .. but if i were to nitpick i can see why the church got angry over TLT. portraying Jesus as someone who would even begin to negotiate with the devil and ultimately seal a deal for a selfish reason is just something that doesnt really parallel with the bible. and also doesnt make sense that jesus was not able to see the future before he closed the deal (jesus isnt bounded by time). but it has a good message at the end - the fact that jesus cared more for the world than anything else.

yixing : haha that's the thing. faith is so personal. to me and to you, they're missing out on something. but to them, they think we're not being serious enough in our relationship with God. *shrugs* to each their own :) it's always between one person and God.

karl : no, i only know Ps Michael Lim :) hey i like that pastor of yours. so open minded! no wonder charis youth always growing wan.

apples : then they are going about it the wrong way. better to educate than to block them away from it completely. it's like a whole abstinence vs education thing, haha. and their argument against the "it's just fiction!" retort is that it's offensive fiction. i guess i can see where they're coming from, because potentially yes DVC can be rather offensive especially if you are a pedantic bible reader, but they need to know that like the bible, the DVC was also very open to intepretation, and the way they chose to interpret it fell short of other ways. other ways that could have worked in their favour, i believe.

jee : where can let it be! :D one has to know right from wrong.

meanoldman : hahaha you know the villian of DVC - Leigh Teabing? Dan Brown actually took the names of the coauthors of Holy Blood Holy Grail (the ones who lost the lawsuit to him) and used them for his villian's name. Richard Leigh was given the honour of villian's firstname, and Michael Baigent had his last name rearranged to form 'Teabing' :D lol, it's like insult to injury. hey did HBHG authors really claim it was fact? i thought their book was just a bunch of unsupported theories. as for the church, i dont think they want a balanced view, ever .. haha. the reason the talk was held was to tilt beliefs back towards the christian side again. well. understandably so.

Fong · 3 years ago

*hugs*

way to go girl!

;)

Waifon · 3 years ago

I absolutely love DVC and I can't wait for the movie either. I was practically obsessed with the story. I couldn't put the book down fr one sec once i started reading. Every page holds a mystery that's bloody intriguing and unfathomable. Christian friends cringed at me when they saw me holding that book and say stuff like.."Yer, why are you reading that? It's evil okay. Ajaran sesat!"

DVC is fantastic. Dan Brown is not only smart..he's VERY smart. The way he twists and turned the story around. The way he pop those secrets out just by elaborating on DV's artwork. The way he meng-hiperbole kan Silas' devotion to his own cult. Damn..it was SO good.

I totally agree on what you said. Hands down. I did exactly what you did after reading it. haha.Jotting down the entire list of contradictory facts and look for the answers to it via the Bible and LOTS of related books. The Da Vinci Deception, Holy Blood Holy Grail, Dechipering the Code and soooo many more. Can't believe i spent so much on those. But oh well, curiosity killed the cat. I just HAD TO find the answers.

And that reminds me of the Harry Potter controversy. I remember my youth pastor drumming it into our brains to NOT read HArry Potter because it's all about wizardy and witch crafts. Still, I read it all:D

tze · 3 years ago

exactly. its astounding how a lot of people flock to church nowadays and come out supposedly 'enlightened' and start to preach to everyone within 1km radius of them. i've learned from someone that christianity is a relationship between you and God, and that's the way it should be. no one questions it.

I LIKE U! hahaha

abby · 3 years ago

very matured for your age. amen to looking at the book's controversies in a different perspective. live your life well for Him, su ann, you will go far and high.

kennysia · 3 years ago

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Lalita · 3 years ago

You are right about blindly believing. Having faith does mean believing in a God that you cannot see after all. So in that respect, than yes, that God does exist and I do believe in Him is one of the things I blindly believe in. I guess it's some other teachings that I question, but mostly I don't question that.

I did go through a period of rebellion (as in WHY do I have to go to church every week sort of thing) and ultimately I think as I've grown, so has my relationship with God. Although I am only human, so this relationship does go through its ups and downs.

jimmy · 3 years ago

i totally agree with lalita . well said btw hehe.
i for one hadn't a clue what happened when i attended sunday school. seems like i just dream waltzed my whole way thru the classes. guilty as i was, christian upbringing tha was lacking somehow, also played a part. my dad's a buddhist :) followed him to the cemetery every ching ming to "show respect".

i know we like to say "as we are only human", its really overrated. i'm confident that there are plenty of people who are like pinkpau.
so i hope :)

sam · 3 years ago

great post =) which church do you attend anyway?

sarah · 3 years ago

I've gone through the same questions.

"OMG you read Da Vinci Code? You loved it? Aren't you like, Roman Catholic? How can you read something so blasphemous?"

And I tell them, ever so patiently, that a book is a book is a book, what more one that is placed under Fiction. The whole notion of "faith", about believing without seeing, without truly knowing ... like a suspense-thriller could change my mind!

alvin · 3 years ago

Amen.

justakid · 3 years ago

DVC was a fascinating book. i swear i sat down and didnt get up till i finished it. page by page.


hehe. cant wait 4 the movie!!!!

pinkpau · 3 years ago

fong : hugs!

waifon : haha aiyo all those books riding on the coattails of DVC's fame only! and yeah .. the whole Harry Potter debacle. gathering copies of Order of the Phoenix and having a massive bonfire .. lol so unnecessary. but again, to each their own!

tze : some ppl are like that, they've tapped into this secret happiness and they just want to share it with the world :) cant blame them, i think u gotta feel it to understand. hehe this is where we should practice tolerance..!

abby : it gets tougher each day, but i will :)

kennysia : boldfaced audacity. you're not even going to pretend you read what i wrote?!

lalita : i hope you find your niche in the relationship :) i've found mine.

jimmy : ahHA! so you're one of those sunday school zoneouts .. :D

sam : i used to attend TMLC and Charis :)

sarah : exactly!!

alvin : *bites the puppy

justakid : haha whoa hardcore!

sam · 3 years ago

whoa i have a few friends in charis... charis in tmn billion right? you used to??? means??? you don't go church anymore? why why why? =(

suki · 3 years ago

Surprisingly, I have quite a few Mormon friends who LOVE the book. They understand that it is fiction based on theories, and they are able to appreciate the book for what it is - a BOOK.

I'm excited to see the movie anyway...

pinkpau · 3 years ago

sam : yup tmn billion. haha i've had a few bad experiences with churches, so until i find a warm and pleasant one, i'm fine being churchless .. :) the only time i go to church now is during easter, christmas etc.

suki :as am i!!! so so so so so so so so excited!!!!!

argee · 3 years ago

heh, good post =) always seek the truth.

the next controversy on the horizon is the gospel of judas....hehe

St. Judas =P

pinkpau · 3 years ago

argee : haha my money is on the negative. i'm skeptical about it, though there's a small part in me that believes in the authenticity of the gospel of judas .. haha it just .. fits, you know?

noob · 3 years ago

Read whatever you want. Just be aware of what is fact and what is fiction.

meetski · 3 years ago

the thing is dan brown has claimed before the da vinci code is true. he says its based on true facts anyway. although the whole basis of the story is a myth, dan brown has claimed that the sects and 'fact's he based his story on is true. but when you go to a bookstore to buy dvc, its listed under FICTION. plus all this crap this good book is based on roman catholisicm which is a dodgy institution itself. so..... oh well.

pinkpau · 3 years ago

noob : mm :)

meetski : he's claimed it's fact? where?

ianfluenza · 3 years ago

I love the way you explore the reasons for why people should research sufficiently before taking sides...

Here's a post semi-dedicated to your take on the novel...

http://ianliew.blogspot.com/2006/05/of-disclaim...

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