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Re: Malaysian Student Leaders Summit

pinkpau — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:40:45 -0000

hanna : you so should have gone :( i dont think i've seen you since that first time at Big Boss' place!

alex : haha hello blur-faced friend of amy! do you mean amy soon? and yeah i so regret missing karam singh walia's speech!

angeline : i had a great time :) just arrived home yesterday.

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Angeline — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:37:27 -0000

have a nice time at s'pore hey? Not sure if you're still here tho.

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Alex — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:28:54 -0000

hihi...
amaizingly you are closely connected with me through your friendship with amy..
hehe..
she is my ex-high school mate and we are in the same class...
i saw you during the time you taking andrew's sleeping picture..
and i am the blur face beside it..
hehe...
karam singh is one of the best speaker...
hehe...you really miss it...
i am looking forward for next year's MSLS..
are you?
take care..

from
Alex

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hanna — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:10:52 -0000

it was nice to be able to read a good review. planned to go for the MSLS, but didn't make it. looks like it was a good one and i wish i went!

anyway, just wanted to say contrary to popular believe (on this comments page) the forum was open to all students and not merely by invitation only.

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pinkpau — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:56:57 -0000

shuey : only if i get to work directly under johan raslan wtf /shameless

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shuey — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:09:43 -0000

well.. i wished i had the opportunity to attend such a summit. would've been an eye-opener. lucky u

em: haha! we're always looking for new people. the cycle never stops. well, if any of you peeps decide on the accountancy..well, u know where to go :)

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em — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:38:35 -0000

if you give up and leave the system, the system will never get better.
this country is better than it seems, if you walk away, you will never be able to discover what it trully has to offer.

shuey: yes dato johan yum... kam yummier... some PwC people actually tried recruiting us by the bus loads, even after we told them we're no where near graduating yet...!!!

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shuey — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 04:40:40 -0000

dato' johan r0x0rs. come come join PwC, su ann.. whilst i'm still there. or ask ur hottie friends to apply..

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Michael — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:53:16 -0000

So, since 2 sides would be just at bad, thats why i leave this country. My favourite quote "I love my country, but my country dont love me". i cant fight the system, and it would be impossible for me to "join" the system. So, the only way is to leave the system.

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johnleemk — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 23:44:44 -0000

Re the quota system, etc.: this is why you guys should have gone for the summit. A lot of this stuff was apparently hashed out in the NEP discussion group, and Prof Shamsul from UKM did a good job of providing some intellectual backdrop for these things.

Suffice it to say that there is a middle ground, but unfortunately this middle ground is often unpalatable to both sides of the political divide. Malaysia cannot have a pure meritocracy yet, but at the same time neither can it have apartheid. At the moment, we are closer to apartheid than we are to meritocracy, but switching to pure meritocracy would, IMO, be almost just as bad.

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Jayelle — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:39:11 -0000

ohmigod!! u know waikin one ar?
he was my junior in school..:) was supposed to meet up with him before he left for US. oh well. small world;D

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wilzc — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:41:18 -0000

aha, coz they heard noises out on the beach when they were having chats wif the guards at desaru. Cant really remmeber lar, im old, its too long ago. All i know is i got in trouble coz they saw mw scramble into cover. I was wearing a red cap and im the only one having a red cap.

Organized by who? i cant remember, all i know is i was stationed in johor, had many boring seminars, met many local leaders. Represented Selangor along with say 30-40 others?? the trip lasted a good few days i think. t'was a blast coz we went wild!. i remember one of the guys who represented penang was this upper6 guy from St.Xavier's in penang and he sneaked out, took a cab from johor to singapore to meet his girlfriend and never came back ahhahahahaha.

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Michael — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:07:00 -0000

ok.
I study in a private chinese school.
I never had any gov help.
My A-levels cert are recognised all over the world,
except Malaysia, my home country.
I had the honour to being offered scholarships
from many countries. again except Malaysia.
Now i'm studyin in HK. Everyone is equal.
Everyone is free.
Why should i live in the quota system,
while there is other place that treat me fairly.
So if u ask me would i go back
and contribute to my home country?
No. i surely wont.
Or maybe one day, as a corrupted politician.

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Michelle — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 04:31:03 -0000

I do agree with sheon regarding this matter about the foreign input.
And yes, songjun, life is unfair but it doesn't mean the government should make it worst.
We can learn to accept it but it has taken a toll on a lot of the non bumiputera. I, being a seventeen year old girl, feels the pressure too living in such a state where everything is in the quota.
And those parents out there including mine, are striving in this dilemma too because they don't get what they give. They pay like so many taxes and the privileges end up in the hands of others. ( You get what I mean )
The scholarship system is too biased, I must say. They only give to their own kins and push us to the sidelines.
And if this were to go on and on, when can our country be free from the wraths and the label, "Third World Country"?

And, to add note, we cannot compare ourselves to countries of the European Union. Try speaking our National Language in the States. Do you think that they will understand? If you were to converse French in the States, they will. It is one of the world's prime languages, you know. And like what sheon said, we still depend on foreign input.

And this will not end until the government decides to use local talents in a just manner and not shun us aside with the quota system.

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sheon — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:12:59 -0000

everything here is in English. The building/structure design code that all engineers here adhere to is in english. all meetings are conducted in english. all reports are presented in english. all correspondence are in english. all drawings are in english. Only ONE question in my mind: "does he/she understand what he is doing/told to do?"....

those european countries are different. germany for instance, their technology is so advanced, the rest of the world is gasping just to keep up. they can afford to be ignorant to the english language. japan, china, russia....they are all able to stand on their own.
malaysia is different, we NEED foreign input, we NEED foreign technology, we NEED foreign funds, we NEED foreign support. and what is the universal language? english. If i hire an engineer to help me run the show, do i have to hire another interpreter to help his comprehension?
and......all engineering courses (in malaysia) are in english medium (as far as i know)....and you know lar..all the technical jargon and stuff, how is it possible, that a student can fully understand what is taught in class and in the text book, if he/she doesnt even speak english? let alone graduate and practise.......

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Jeff from LA — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:41:47 -0000

Of course, by this, I definitely do not mean that everyone should be required to speak English, merely that in today's world, it can definitely be economically advantageous to do so.

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Jeff from LA — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:40:23 -0000

I'm not sure the fact that German, Italian, and French professionals do not speak English is an excuse for others not to learn English. These professionals can function perfectly in their own home countries while being unable to speak English, but if they wish to engage in international business, or work outside their countries, they must be able to speak at least a minimum amount of English.

As business becomes more globally interconnected, the inability of French, German, or Italian professionals to speak English will put them at a greater and greater disadvantage. It is true that not everyone in the world speaks English, but excluding Chinese, English is becoming more and more the lingua franca of the modern world.

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songjun — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:13:14 -0000

And i dare say in italy, public schools stop teaching english after primary school. Some italian from Tuscany i hitched a ride with said that most italians his age only learn english until that level.

He's quite old though (circa 40) so maybe the system has changed now

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songjun — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:10:24 -0000

sheon : lol if u think that those ppl cant speak english is a problem.. wait till you talk to people in europe. 70% of people in europe do not speak english. 80 - 90 % may understand you, but only 40 % roughly can actually reply u decently.

There are lots of german, italian and french professionals who dont speak a word of english but are yet fluent in other euro languages (ie in their local homeground per se) So yes, before i came to the UK i also had the impression that everyone in the world spoke english.. especially in europe.

Not true at all lol

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sheon — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:53:11 -0000

songjun: i agree that, somehow the quota system is 'necessary' for the sake of the country. however, not with the expense of the students that REALLY deserved it! The quota system if implemented as it is, i believe will gain more supporters. But, when politics and racial sentiments come into the equation, how can you reason when a 4A's student gets scholarship and a 11A1's student doesnt? I can attest to this, my ex is a straight A1 student, she only secured the medicine scholarship frm PSD becoz the family is politically connected (still have to pay some kopi duit nonetheless). her classmates consist of some of the top non-bumi students around the country, BUT, her bumi classmates ranges from 11A1s, to 3-4As. They are the bottom of the class for every exams, and they cant even speak proper english.
I have a bunch of engineers reporting to me, bumi+chinese+indian....most are from UTM......the bumi engineers, cant even construct a decent English phrase off their tongues! how do you expect me to take them seriously? how do you expect me to let them attend meetings on my behalf?
yes, quota. but at least make sure the ones taking up their allocated seats deserve it, and not become a farce to their eventual profession.

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songjun — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:50:45 -0000

and eh. Life is unfair anyway.

And as inhumane and mean as it may sound..

Its the survival of the fittest. Always has been. Always will be.

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songjun — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:47:04 -0000

michelle : lol my dear, even to enter in medicine overseas right, they have a quota. And its a common misconception that those who dont score too well dont get in, most of the students on scholarship here (malays included) are really top class students. Yes, there maybe a few that dont get all A's and get in compared to many other races who are 'more deserving' to get in..

but let me ask you. If you were chinese in China, and at least 60% of the wealth of the country is in the hands of 20% of the minority.. u as the 80% majority of the country wont you do something about it? Yes i agree its unfair. And yes , it kinda makes the malays handicapped. But without the initial boost .. do u think there will be a middle class of malays now?

Its a phase our country is going thru. Once there is a big enough middle class of educated and well fed malays, these people will be the ones to rise up and implement a newer unbiased system.

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Cat-chan — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:14:49 -0000

Black-and-white emails, phone calls, meetings... bzuh? but where's the fun in that? Jokes aside... I just find it kinda sad. Have you heard about that fiasco regarding the "Negarakuku" rap? It's a video on youtube by a M'sian student studying in Taiwan and it mocks the current situation in M'sia. So much for parody.

I had 2 weeks off at the end of June/beginning of July. I go on holiday properly at the end of the year, starting in mid-Nov, which goes on until mid-Feb the next year. NZ unis tend to stint on hols in the middle of the year. Oh, and I get a week off at the end of August. That'll be my mid-semester break. *cries* I started in July! Where's the time gone?

All the same, have fun~ =^^=

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cher wee — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:15:53 -0000

good entry, gal.

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Michelle — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:37:10 -0000

songjun: Well, we still can make it but then how about those people out there who had to enter to local public universities because their parents couldn't afford to send them to private universities or abroad?

I mean, just look at the problems which arise every year due to the quota system. The Chinese who apply to become doctors fail to become doctors and end up in what... accounting?
It is just plain dumb excuses the local unis are giving like "Oh, this course is fully occupied!" and "Oh this course is this and that..." and "Oh, they miss out an A!" while they give full liberty to their own people even though they got only an A.

Yes, I do agree the fact that we can still swim our way through these sharks but how about those who can't? Are they going to die there and let their talents be restricted because of these sharks who simply bite at people with them?

And this quota system is also the factor that Malaysia football is in a devastating position. And other things too.....

Even though our country does not suffer from intense racial problems but if you're involved in such procedures, such discrimination is palpable.