DISQUS

alvin · 1 year ago

hey, as long as the muslim feeling is not hurt, and their affirmative privileges remain intact, what are these so called insensitive issues you are complaining about?

it's a one way ticket, dear.

DolphyN · 1 year ago

its malaysia we r talking about. i guess all we can do is hope for the better...which i doubt is gonna happen. sigh.

the government shud fear the people, yeah, but looks like our gov has nth to fear from the (mostly) silent public wat with all those threats of isa and police and action and inciting racism etc etc...ironic, isnt it? cuz our ppl fear the gov kao kao instead.

they say V for vendetta, i say M for Malaysia boleh. heh.

WK · 1 year ago

In the mind of these people, there is only 1 religion for their country and till the rest of the 'infidels' are chased out or segregated, they will not change their mindsets. What do you think goes on in their weekly sermons at their 'watering holes' during their extended 'lunch break'? I don't think they will preach about religious sensitivity, equality, respect for other religions, etc. It will always be about all other religions and races threatening their existance. What can be done? If you are old enough to vote, make the difference.

Dr. Tan · 1 year ago

Hmm I'll take it that its that MEN....j guy who said these things.

Either him or his phucking cronies.

Artificially Timtam · 1 year ago

so long as man can find a fascet to discriminate and stereotype, he will use it to gain benefit over others by virtue of his/her/its better feature.

nyrac · 1 year ago

sickening, their holier than thou ways. it's just like reading in those TITAS textbooks (tamadun islam watever watever - compulsory module in gomen unis) about how "compassionate" they are because they can accept other people who are "not intelligent" enough to see the truth in their religion.

but basically, i just don't like people who think that one religion is better than the other, no matter of what religion that is.

Michelle · 1 year ago

Hiya, after the Namewee case, do you remember the case where the Malaysia flag is burnt by a bunch of Malay youngsters? No action was taken towards them while the whole Namewee thing was made into some sensation in the newspapers. They even forced him to make an apology!

I just hate the fact that they have to quote Voltaire. WHY?

Poop · 1 year ago

Muslims quoting Voltaire to prove a point?...lolness. It's like a Nazi quoting a rabbi.

wenqi · 1 year ago

i soo agree with u on the first part!

and yes.. why is our country liddat? sighh :(

chm · 1 year ago

dear, if its fair then we would b living in a democracy... unfortunately we are NOT!

BP · 1 year ago

I'd hate to come up against you on a public (speaking) debate... *shudder*

iamthewitch · 1 year ago

I share your pain on this issue and I hope things will change for the better. On another note, I just added you to my blog roll. :)

Fu Han Liang · 1 year ago

Start a petition and I'd be more than glad to help out on this matter.

Random Surfer · 1 year ago

"Just joking..."

They sound like they'll make 'great' members of parliament in the future.

PhooiSze · 1 year ago

because it's MALAYsia we're talking about. discrimination is part of everyday life. be it racial or religious- it's discrimination all the same nyam nyam. :]

Yappy · 1 year ago

That's terrible.. Can't people pass away peacefully in this country? Without having their bodies seized by police just coz they are supposedly Muslim... And those bloggers are just plain insensitive and disgusting.
On a different matter, I love how you use the word "subscribe to a religion" in this post. I used that word several times too, and it never failed to raise people's eyebrows. I believe in god, I just don't subscribe to any religion. Haha.. :)

Ida · 1 year ago

U noe girl, I'm a Muslim too. But I really hate these idiots coz they're the ones who tarnish the name of the religion.

Like u said, a religion is suppose to be a spiritual thing. It's between u and God. (applies for all religions) What they are doing is to brag about their religion. And true believers would noe that God does not like His creations to be riak (overly displaying of religion), especially in such a manner.

On another note, I believe, you living in Malaysia wld have many Muslim friends. I just wish to assure you not ALL Muslims are like those 2 morons-of-the-universe. U can trust me on dat. ;o)

pinkshirtz · 1 year ago

This situation tickles me. Sighz .. its the age old topic of Muslim vs everyone else. how can majority of the muslims not see that their essential survival are dependent upon the others. honestly, without the chinese or the indians, malaysia would just be a jungle. Shit this makes me angry. While we have to work our ass off ... 10 times the effort compared to a muslim student and on top of that take this kinda crap from em with their government behind em. This is lame!

entwined · 1 year ago

i agree with your points, especially on the hypocrisy. i can't fathom how they can say such things and yet believe that it is right and good to behave so. even if they are religious, does it give them the licence to mouth off like that? funny how they think everything they do is right and everything others do is nonsense. i certainly don't recall any religion preaching this. extremists are a funny lot, really. they seem to espouse everything that they say non-believers are. lol.

alea · 1 year ago

I'm ashamed on how some idiots like those two bloggers can make Islam look like a hypocrite religion. that's not what Islam is about. My religion teaches me to not judge and talk bad about other people's beliefs, especially on race. Yeah, we may not believe on their beliefs but we know they're human. They're still God's creation. I hate those motherfuckers so badly that's why i prefer hanging out with chinese more, eventhough they know a little of my religion but they don't judge me like how some closeminded malay does.

If those so called "Muslims" read the Quran properly, it's mostly about PEACE. And only attack when someone attack us. We don't attack out of the blue. Eventhough we're about peace but we stand up for our religion and rights.

The extremist is the extremist, they take Islam further than the religion have taught. That's not what Islam wanted, it's what they wanted.

I'm really angry when people really think that Islam is about pride, hypocrisy and what nots. We're humans, we're NEVER perfect. I have always believed and stood by my religion. I am not a good muslim, but having Iman is what kept me grounded. I don't go around preach on what you should do or you shan't do. I know its hard nowadays for Muslim kids to ever understand Islam as they think its obsolete and a burden in a modern environment especially in a modern country. But i know, we're learning. Taking baby steps so we could learn more. If those Muslim bloggers expecting people to embrace Islam in the extreme way, then it's not going to happen.

They're the one who's kafir to condemn others. Allah never EVER teaches us to judge others. But only to lead and help them. And i bet other religions teaches the same thing too.


ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

alea · 1 year ago

i really hope Malaysia can really embrace the TRULY of Asia and the REAL meaning of a Multiracial country. Same goes to the world.


Fucker say only but never act like one. closeminded lan jiaos.


T_________________T

nyrac · 1 year ago

whoa alea. you do sound like some of my muslim friends, who hang out more with us than with the other malays.

Michael · 1 year ago

majority paradox. this world is never fair?
this country is just a joke. dont u think so.

kiasu andrew · 1 year ago

i'll have to disagree with your last paragraph. i think that they should be able to say whatever they want -- freedom of speech is about letting stupid people say stupid things.

but yes the field should be fair so everyone can say stupid things, not only some people who are more equal than others.

sheon · 1 year ago

i used to have an iraqi engineering professor who refused to pray in any local mosque...becoz he thinks that bolehland's islam is 'tainted'. or at least that is his opinion.

i also dun understand why 'they' still have that kinda mentality against non-muslims and non-prince. they think by doing this, it will alleviate them to greater heights in humanity. such primitive mentality.

Prakash · 1 year ago

well, all we do is forgive and forget yeah....

Porcupine · 1 year ago

We know who to vote for now don't we?
Hahahahaha...

cicak_cobing · 1 year ago

they can raise sensitive issues like waving up the keris & wanting to bathe it with chinese blood & all those nods.. but when other races raise issues dat seems not fair like da nep & all dats to de non-bumis disadvantage, they threaten back by saying "dun raise sensitive issues.
perhaps, one of their special privileges is to raise sensitive issues where da non-bumis are not allowed.
it feels like da non-bumis here share da same status as immigrants in tis country. sad case.

Lalita · 1 year ago

It is so disgusting to say things like that, and then be total cowards and say it was a joke. It was SO NOT a joke I bet. And they should study their religion properly, it doesn't teach intolerance and all that other bad stuff. You are right, why do people distort religion so badly?
I also don't understand why these actions don't warrant any punishment and action taken against them? Isn't this also classed as bringing on racial segregation etc?

chm · 1 year ago

dear kiasu andrew, we dun haf freedom of speech in dis country! if we badmouth our government or Malays in public we would b detained under ISA man!

Tim · 1 year ago

RPK was touching on about the same thing

tom · 1 year ago

"i dont understand how people who are enlightened by spirituality can have so much anger and hate and intolerance towards those who do not share their beliefs."

I had my share of experience with this and i can tell you. i understand not either till today. some people are just either brought up like that or influenced till like that..

such is what our country is gearing into another Indonesia, when we don't make a change in the system.
sigh.. Malaysia Boleh

grace · 1 year ago

YES YES YES!!!
my friend joked about me in front of all the friends and made a laughing stock with a boy..
and ended up saying dt ALL was a joke!! dts very stupid and annoying

about the muslim part...i jz DUNNO what to say anymore..tolerant isn't a word that can be use when they say sth ridiculous like this

Liz · 1 year ago

i really think that its TERRIBLE that ppl like him come up with stuff like this, and probably get away with it too. i'm not too familiar with this issue (tho i'm sure my itchy fingers will go search it up after this comment hahah) but y'know what, at least many people -like you- aren't afraid to speak up and stick up for what they believe in!

stickém up · 1 year ago

Malaysia is a muslim country. Bear with it. Why not move out of M'sia and go to a Chinese country instead? You sound like a negro complaining in the U.S except that the negro is brought there through slavery while you are there because your (grand)parents once left China to build a better future elsewhere.

It is hard for the local Malaysians to see Chinese doing better than them. Look at Singapore for instance, a lot of subsidies to keep muslims happy while Chinese move pass them left and right at lightning speed. As long as those muslims are kept busy munching on their subsidized biscuits, they won't see the Chinese continuesly raking in the caviar I guess.

For in M'sia, muslims will keep making Chinese lives tough but as usual, the Chinese will come out stronger. Look at the world, the Chinese are everywhere and they are all working.
Look at the muslims, the only reason why they would move to another country is when they can live off the wellfare at their new place. Of course not all the muslims are like that but def most are.

george · 1 year ago

let's go! LA is waiting for us :D

LJY · 1 year ago

Exactly my thoughts- just seconds before I checked your blog in fact.

Person A has just finished delivering a long bitter, defensive and insulting speech regarding a light remark made by Person B and C. Person C backlashes and the next post made by Person A has her disregarding everything before and passing it off as a "joke" when clearly, by the tone and accusations, it was not.

Infuriating.

Nothing more can be said about the religious hypocrisy of this situation because you have voiced it all. Though most commonly exemplified by this country's religious group, I find this hypocrisy actually evident in all religions so I am inclined to believe that the blame lies on the extremists.

I am not a religious person; I find that in a lot of cases religion breeds intolerance rather than tolerance- and this country is perhaps the largest hypocrite of all - for advocating it's cultural tolerance, while clearly displaying intolerance through the unfair treatment of situations like these.

Ooh, long comment.

Chrisming · 1 year ago

And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Go exercise your the only right you have. Vote. UNLESS of course.. you wake up in a different constituency the next day then well too bad.

I have nothing against banter. I just dislike morons.

CloudyRainbows · 1 year ago

And that is why there is a massive brain drain going on...

ida · 1 year ago

im a muslim and im so not supporting those ludicrous statements they made of sensitive topics like race and religion.

what a shame! ~:/

sue me · 1 year ago

malaysians are like that..very not sensitive..hard to change people especially the stupid ones..

prawn · 1 year ago

makes me feel like not coming back =(

davidlian · 1 year ago

It'd be unfair to generalise in this situation. There are about as many Christian jerks as there are Muslim ones. But you hit the nail in that if these people really embraced their religion, their conduct would have been vastly different.

The problem isn't with whether you're Muslim or Christian. It is with the person inside.

wombok · 1 year ago

You re bound to meet an idiot from time to time. There's one in every group. It's just a amazing that they feel the need to highlight their idiocy.

Suet Ling · 1 year ago

bernard's prone to "jokes" as well, sigh...
sorry you had to wait while he was getting the doughnuts the other day. Have a blessed and very Happy Chinese New Year dear =)

denied · 1 year ago

You guys are stupid and morons... FIrst of all, DISTINGUISH between Malays and Muslims... If you're badmouthing Muslims, that mean su're badmouthing the majority of the world's population... Even in China also got millions of Millions... why don't u say that the chinese are also lazy and prejudice and shits?.... DOn't fuck around with religion man... If u wanna say something bad about the bumis, please quote MALAY... Although that will also make me wanna smack your asses, but at least some of the accusations are true, and less hurtfull... If u wanna say that those 2 muslims are extremist, what about extremist from other religion?.... like the subway bombing in Japan?... school shooting in US?... genocide in AFrica?.... were those done by Muslims?... Nooooo fuckers!... ALL religions have their own collection of extremist... SO don't fuck around with Islam... U ungratefull pieces of shits!

denied · 1 year ago

*continued*
And i always get this statement from my chinese friends, whereby if they were to get married with a malay chick, they have to masuk melayu... It's ISLAM MANNNN..... there's race, and religion.... 2 different things.... Anybody can be a Muslim, but a Malay MUST be a Muslim... that means, if a chinese were to convert, he will never be a Malay, but he will be converting to be a Muslim... Get it?

pinkpau · 1 year ago

denied : yours is the exact sort of behavior i'm talking about. grow up, and grow out of your oversensitive shells that the government has allowed you all to fester in. accept that two of your brethren have committed a crime against fellow Malaysians, instead of mouthing off over the fact that other people besides the Muslims/ Malays/ bumis/ Malay Malaysians/ Muslim Malaysians can feel hurt and angry too. we will call it the way we see it. i quote you: 'dont fuck around with religion'. it's either we're 'fucking around with religion' or we're 'fucking around with race'; in the heads of unnecessarily indignant people like you, it's always the world against you no matter what the situation :)

you behave EXACTLY like the two bloggers who created that video. in defense of themselves, they said that Hitler is Christian. LOL. try focusing on the issue at hand. subway bombings in japan.. shootings in US.. LOL. no one's even calling malays terrorists!! like i said, oversensitive. and insecure. just because other violent things happen in the world, it doesnt mean you can distract us with them while shit happens right here in our own country. old trick :) we see it in our newspapers and ministers' speeches all the time.

ungrateful? pray tell why should we be grateful to you? your government is kissing our asses right now in penang chinese schools and in the indian community just to buy our votes.

big talk for a little man.

pinkpau · 1 year ago

thank you for the crash course on race and religion, but i'm very sure we all know the difference and we all know what we're talking about :) in their video, the bloggers were talking about tattooing 'I Am A Kafir' on the foreheads and chests of non-Muslims. perhaps you should watch the video first and kind of like re-read my post before you start frothing at the mouth over an irrelevant topic.

Random Surfer · 1 year ago

@46&47:

Wookay. Thanks for the 'searing' insight. But in this particular context, how does distinguishing race and religion become relevant?

The issue Ms.Pau seems to be bothered by (and, correct me if I'm wrong) is that two bloggers and self-proclaimed followers of Is-*ahem*, excuse me, 'A Certain Religion' shot a video of their discussion, which which involved all sorts of callous and almost bigoted remarks against other members of their nation whom did not subscribe to their religious beliefs.

Backlash ensues, and their pathetic attempt at a defense is 'It was a joke'. To which Ms. Pau called "Bullshit!" (albeit slightly more eloquent than I).

No where do I see Ms.Pau painting an entire religion with broad strokes. Are you sure you read the same blog post?!

And what exactly do we have to be ungrateful about?

Random Surfer · 1 year ago

Darn, 7 minutes too late!

pinkpau · 1 year ago

thank u random surfer!! *clasps hands in admiration*

randomdude · 1 year ago

i'd vote for Ms. Pau over Abdullah Ahmad Badawi anytime. Hands down.

nyrac · 1 year ago

yea ms. pau, when will you be running for the elections? thanks to you i dah bertekad wanna go register once i turn 21 this coming june.

spirit3d · 1 year ago

@ randomdude - You sure you'd want that? She'd paint all governmental buildings pink and declare all Saturdays National Holiday For Junk Food Consumption. Which may not be such a bad thing, actually. :P

Kidding aside, this blog posts brings up just one of the many issues that continues to bog Malaysia down. I myself can't view the video myself (oh, Streamyx, another bane of our country), but this quote made me break out in the LULZ.

Mahaguru58: The reality nowadays is that Christians and other Kaffirs tend to zoom in and focus on the screwups by a few Muslims and then lay claim to saying that Islam is bad.
Really? When you set such a sterling example yourself?

HK · 1 year ago

@denied: It's getting sickening to see oversensitive fundamentalists like you roaming about the net, should I take it a level higher and call you racist pricks, or post-911 paranoia zealots.

The point remains, should I exercise moderatism and keep extreme views to myself to keep peace or should I screw the fuck out of you for flaming the Miss over here. It makes better sense to be nice right? Or should I include the word 'mother' in the context and ridicule your parently teachings?

See, I've just exercised constraint. That's if if you can see what I mean. You, my friend, should do the same as well. No argument is valid with the presence of emotional fallacies.

tw · 1 year ago

namewee should tell the government it was all a joke making the song negarakuku =.="

famous lingam quote: sounds like me, looks like me but 100% not me.. =D

jeeps · 1 year ago

please tell me you're joining the esum competition this year....!!

jimmy · 1 year ago

dam i'm getting more intelligent just by reading the comments here.

... darn it.

songjun · 1 year ago

all malaysia needs is more education

Malays say they're the inheritors of this land we call MALAYsia but trace back history you will see that malays were not from here, but are from a type of humans called Austronesian that originate from the Isle of Taiwan which may/may not have crossed over from China during some period of time i dont know the name of.

So the malay argument of Bumiputera is shattered by a simple trace of geneology. Lots of ethnic chinese in China actually look like malays in general. Maybe not in the northern parts of China but in the south yes.

It is interesting to note that Gavin Mendes in his publication 1421: the year china discovered the world, postulates that Zheng He's legacy to the malay archipelago is the seeding of Chinese Muslim colonies through out, including in Melaka. Although he is heavily critisized, it is not beyond some thought that it might be true following the hypothesis that the Hang's, Hang tuah, lekiu, jebat and one more i cant remember are Chinese muslim fighters sent together with Hang Li Poh. Hang may have been a modification of the word Han, as in the Han Chinese.

The argument that the Chinese should BALIK CINA is an asinine one because there were chinese living in the area long before the nation state Malaya was even considered and can be said that the the creation of malaysia was helped by Indian and Chinese traders who have left their legacies LONG before the british brought them En Masse over.

So, Orang Melayu Sekalian, accept je lah korang bukan 'heirs of the land' , because u guys

a) dont belong on the land anyway if u trace history, it is the aborigines that do
b) u have chinese and indian blood too so dont ask chinese/indians to balik/be spilled with the keris

I'm not saying , that as a majority that u guys have political dominence and as a result, want to keep it in fear of what ever. That is a natural tendency.

But to say the chinese and indians and what nots should be grateful to stay in Malaysia is the same as Hitler asking the Jews to leave :)

IMO, that kafir thing isn't much to be hoo-ha-ed about. It is akin to us non muslims making fun of muslim extremists. IE, Achmed's "I KEEL U" or about mamak session talks about throwing a pig in a mosque just to see what happens. And please dont deny any of you dont make some kind of crack like that. We all know we do.

The more u dont take offense to it and just take it in stride, the less it is a problem.

Malaysians are still so sentiment based. People in general are still so sentiment based.

k0k · 1 year ago

I grew up in a housing estate beside a Malay taman, and I pretty much have to take a lot of the Malay kids' racist and bigot shit all through my childhood. This "joke" by the two Muslim bloggers does not even compare to the (deeply disturbing) abuses that came from seven-year-olds Malay kids. There's startling indications (note that I did not say "proofs" or evidences") that they were indoctrinated to despise Kafirs at a really young age - and to consider non-believers as beneath them. Parallels can be drawn from the Holocaust. We are animals to the worst of them (I've been called Cina Babi often and by many).

Then I went on to attend a secondary school which had an overwhelming population of Malays and the situation did not improve. I've come to expect it from the teenagers but teachers too?! I was taught Science in the Second Form by an ustaza, who'd slip Islam flavours into the lessons, and have frequently attempt sideswipes at other religions. The Muslim students in the class would laugh, no doubt - like it's an inside joke they all shared all through their lives in their Bumiputra tamans and suraus at the expense of us, the infidels. So you see, they already have the capacity to laugh at jokes that are mean-spirited and cruel ingrained into their psyche, and the adults, the teachers, educators all promotes that general assumption that us non-believers of their edition of the One True Faith are nothing more than a jest to be laughed at. We are jokes to them. Tattoos on our foreheads are deadly hilarious, I'll bet.

And there's that Fourth Form History teacher who had announced in class that anyone who believes in the theory of evolution are stupid morons that ought to be locked up with monkeys in the zoo.

This latest in the long line of jokes that is shared by most Muslims/Malays in our country - I don't even feel pissed at all. Perhaps you aren't exposed early enough by this "mirthful" and "joke-loving" side of the Muslim Malays, being in a private school - but us public school goers from the proletarian class of society, who lived side by side with these comedians from the same social standing (arguably the most indoctrinated, intolerant specimens of Muslims), we are quite desensitized, unfortunately.

On the subjects of jokes, it's strange that a Babi like me would consume pork. I mean, if I'm a pig, I won't eat my own brethren, no? Ah, an unfunny joke, I know.

Random Surfer · 1 year ago

Man, look at my typos. For shame.

HK · 1 year ago

jimmy: i so agree with you. For some uncanny reason, the readers here have bigger brains =P

skeat · 1 year ago

Yes i agreed that THEY can say whatever and get away with it at the end of the day. I could only feel aghast.

Contrary, we being the non believers of a certain religion are forced to seal away our true thoughts from prying eyes of the ISA or wat so ever cuz at the end of the day, whatever you say, even if it's RIGHT, but involves issues that fire racial dissent, you are risking yourself the possibilities of ISA knocking on your door and taking you away to a dark dark place. Well, it's clearly an attempt to frighten into silence a minority community concerned about its rights

Am I typing this at risk of the ISA? Who knows. :D

Just like what Brad Adams, Asia director at New York-based Human Rights Watch had to say last year in conjunction of the BERSIH rally.

"If Malaysia wants to count itself a democracy, it can begin get wby upholding constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly. The way the system works now, only the ruling coalition can get its messages out," it said."

I'm just puzzled how can the government not see (or choose to be deluded) when the discrimination is so bloody blatant.

Sigh. Okay i think i'm gonna go enjoy some char siew bau now :)

skeat · 1 year ago

*eating*

:DDDDDDDD

k0k · 1 year ago

char siew bau r0xx0r!!!!

Chen Chow · 1 year ago

pinkpau, I understand your frustration in this, but I would like to sincerely ask everyone to try to control our emotion as well (I know I would get shot by some of your readers for saying this).

Eventually, for our country to go far, we have to get all races to stay united, at least among our fellow commoners. Without that happens, there is no way for us to really reach the best potential of our country.

I know that from time to time, there would be some "idiots" who would be making stupid remarks. I would say that while we should condemn those remarks, it might sometimes be better if we try not to retaliate too forcefully (I'm not saying that we should appear weak), but often when we respond aggressively, what we get back is another aggressive response.

Sorry for posting this moral post here. It is just what I feel after reading it. Pinkpau, thanks for highlighting this to all your readers. :)

Happy Chinese New Year and Gong Xi Fa Cai to everyone!

sheon · 1 year ago

the so called religion of love and peace....... Islam is a beautiful religion...so are many other religions.....its their followers who are devils.........

Jeff from LA · 1 year ago

I agree with you PinkPau. The main way you can tell whether a country or a majority religion/culture believes in peace, freedom, and tolerance is by examining the way that dominant culture/society treats minority groups. A religion that denigrates other religions or discriminates against other religions is not one that truly believes in peace or tolerance.

mrbherng · 1 year ago

This is what you call double standard and also the breach of the preach from the "higher" authority of the country.

Just hope that a positive change can be fulfilled by preventing the 2/3 in the coming GE. At least there will be 2 schools of corrupted thoughts instead of 1 up there.

KY · 1 year ago

pinkpau, do you want to beat them up with a stick? :P

nyrac · 1 year ago

jimmy, i agree with you too ^^

and i couldn't agree more with songjun.

and k0k, i heart you!!!
even now, in university, where they'd make student publications for the medicine faculty to be distributed to all of us, there'd be something about their religion nothing to do with medicine in there. it's like, it's accepted that they can just put in their stuff wherever they like, whereas when we want to make a statement/announcement about our race/religion we have to get their permission first.

but there are still some of my malay muslim friends who take pride in looking like chinese =D and i also take pride in being able to yak in malay like a malay.

foreverjas · 1 year ago

oh my. i support pink pau no matter what!!!

tomatoinc · 1 year ago

reading comments from k0k, you can't help but to feel sad. I have had the opportunity to be in an environment of Muslims, and yes, my friends are all very confused. They were being preached a version of beliefs that is contradictory to what they have learned and seen in life. They were taught that us, kafirs , have internal hatred to anything Islamic. They were taught to NOT share anything with us, Babi eating people. So we tolerate each other.... but what's right and wrong? Is Islam so incompatible with all other faiths, and the virtue of sharing a community is simply impossible?

twinkle · 1 year ago

Hek elehh..... kafir.... nak taruk kat mana? Gomen nak subsidi kerr kerja tattoo ni untuk semua orang kafir yakni orang makan babi macam aku ni? Nak suruh ker orang yang kerja kat Miami Ink or LA Ink buat tattoo kat dahi aku ni?

Aku percaya tak semua orang Islam macam tu. TApi. bak kata orang... nila setitik, rosak susu sebelanga.

Huh.. lepas tu pulak.. bacullllll... siap ngaku buat 'lawak bodoh ala ala Pak Pandir". Kalau rasa tak mampu dan confiden dengan agama sndiri.. jangan la pulak nak melabelkan orang lain tu kafir.

Aku rasa.. BABI lagi mulia dari korang yang kononnya mendakwa hanya Islam tu meng gerentikan semua orang akan masuk syurga kerana:

1. Babi tak reti nak hina agama orang
2. Babi tak suruh orang buat tattoo kafir

Bacul-bacul macam ni laaa yang suka sangat meng kucar kacirkan negara kita. Suka hati orang laaa... nak jadi freethinker keee, Kristian kee.. Buddha kee.. ape aperlaa golongan kafir.... bak kata 'korang' laaaaaa...

Orang2 macam ni kan.... suruh makan bacon sure best.. sekali rasa nak lagiiiiiiii.

aw · 1 year ago

The road for them would have been to say, "We're sorry that some people have been offended."

That they didn't apologize to so many people who felt offended, means that they don't respect others at all. In fact, they go on to insult the people who felt offended.

This is not religious.

If their religion is so good, it would be welcomed by many. This "religion" that causes so much hate, violence and defensiveness is not one preached by the Prophet.

aw · 1 year ago

To the commenter who mentioned namewee.. yes, why couldn't he have said, "It was a joke"?

And when is Badawi, Najib and all the other information ministers going to zoom in on these two fascists as they did to namewee?

shinyu · 1 year ago

@denied,

since when we are stupid morons who failed to distinguish between malays and islams? what we are talking about here is just TWO stupid islamic malays who just try to get away from their stupid acts. just TWO. no more no less. maybe THREE. cos you are included too. or even more. people from the government who are going to say you are right, and i am wrong.
malaysia is fast becoming a joke to other countries, body snatching, and other religious issues are giving an impression that malaysia in undergoing islamisation. what's more saddening is the fact that those people in power are the so called 'holy' people who behave like those 2 silly bloggers.
btw, according to definition, anyone can be a malay as long as he or she practices the 'malay' culture. so if one marries a malay, yes, he will be an islam. and if he practices the malay culture as well ( which is inevitable) he will be deemed as a malay too. so, get your facts right my malay friend

amb3r1te · 1 year ago

i totally agree with Su Ann.
*sigh* y our country like this one...

and i might offend some parties by saying this, but i dont trust religions. not just muslim, but any religion in general. i mean look at all the wars that religion has caused in the past.
(wah, i actually pay attention in sejarah lessons. LOL)

jeeps · 1 year ago

And I quote Gandhi when I say this "I like your Christ, but I dont like your Christians."

Likewise can be said about the Muslims.

Or any other religious fanatics, for that matter.

x · 1 year ago

i absolutely totally agree with you. the only word that came to mind as i read your account of the video was 'disgusting'. double standards exist everyday in malaysia in regards to religion and ethnicity but by no means should suggestions like tatoos and ideas of a superior race be thrown around, joke or not. disgusting.

chm · 1 year ago

out info minister zam zam alakazam is actually the misinformation mminister of Malaysia.... if he actually zooms in on this he would if necessary issue a statement saying that either those 2 jackasses were: 1) joking 2) had what they said distorted or 3) that didnt happen at all and this chinese blogger made it all up :P Gong Xi Fa Chai Hong Bao Na Lai!

Aronil · 1 year ago

Wow quite a bit of a pow wow going about here. To the bloggers that decided to f off the Pau. I think that is rather rude and uncalled for. If you would notice the post is more on an annoyance in regarding 'people' who are disrespectful and then turn around to make a light of a matter which obviously is hardly anything to laugh at.

I think the reason why, maybe some of the bloggers at the top have replied with snide remarks is because the passage on the "I am Kafir" joke is quite long, which may have cause others to be blinded by the other issues that are very evident around us.

There is no denying that race, religion are considered taboo topics here. It has become taboo because the government has made it in such a manner whereby the differences if race is so distinct. Ideology has been implanted in us to think that way. The post is neither about religion nor about racism.

Either way, back to actual matter, I agree with Pink Pau that is appalling when people like making a mockery of certain things that could be resentful to others. Pink... why don't you show the video... and then we can further see why it's so appalling.

sheon · 1 year ago

denied: its people like you who will eventually and inevitably bring down your own race. just imagine, in the world of globalization, where exactly do you find your spot? malaysia is your only comfort zone, everything, everything single F@cking thing is spoon fed to you ppl. what else do you want? instead of thinking how to get a bigger economic cake so everybody can have a bigger share, you are just fighting just to rampas somebody else's share.

everybody else is running. throw away your walking stick and f@cking start running. because when the rest of the field are already flying, do you still wanna complain that your walking stick is not big enough?

liyuan · 1 year ago

god. i agree wholeheartedly with you pinkpau.
denied has just shown his own ignorance.

ahban · 1 year ago

you tak suka, you keluar!!!!
im oredi keluar-ed. bite me

pinkpau · 1 year ago

linora : of all the commenters, there's only one self-righteous fool - the one called Denied at number 46 and 47 :) i dare say everyone else knows what they're talking about

ahban : haha wtf! run to india with you issit!

chm · 1 year ago

if every chinese n indian keluar malaysia die lar wei... sure will b swamped wif indons, arabs n egyptians..... n den economy oso die... y? coz no1 doin da work! all expection 2 laze around, play golf n get money at da same time :P

songjun · 1 year ago

chm : why would arabs and egyptians want to come to malaysia and stay for? o.O

chm · 1 year ago

oh yea... sheon!!!! nice way 2 swear there.... i jus so wanted 2 blast a plethora of swear words at Dnied bt den i was thinkin i shouldnt swear ic a comment 4 a blog... since u already did it... THX!

sheon · 1 year ago

chm: leave the swearing part to a contractor. hahahaha

ponderer · 1 year ago

let him who has no sin cast the first stone

sigh

Kindy · 1 year ago

AHAHAHAHA. Did you guys see Shadowfox's post? It turns out that someone went to Menj's Youtube account, and found that he favorite'd PORN! Porn videos of Japanese porn star Maria Ozawa, to be exact!

http://bytemuncher.blogspot.com/2008/02/pious-m...

Then this self-proclaimed "pious Muslim" tried to erase everything and deny it. Good thing Shadowfox captured screenshots. But the hypocrite made a big hoo-ha that Shadowfox doctored the screenshots.

Then, the punchline is, Google cached the page, showing clearly that, this "religious" Muslim menjy does indeed watch porn, and LIED about it, and then FALSELY accused others of lying. AHAHAHAHAHA.

Menjy is a hypocrite! I wonder what porn Mahaguru watches. Horses? Goats?

songjun · 1 year ago

ponderer : the very same thing i thought :)

lydia · 1 year ago

i couldn't agree with you more. if anything, living in this land of (so-called) tolerance, we non-muslims are doing most of the tolerating bit.

Francis Foo · 1 year ago

Hmm..the main problem right here is all about religion.If there's no religion,they won't be any arguement right here. This has proved how obsolete religion is in this 21st century when every things exist due to their usefullness only. Religion is an obsolete thing which can be traced back to the time when human have not 'discoverd' or realised enlightenment and humanism..

Think again. If there's no religion, we are better off because we tend to be hostile to people who have different ideology than ours and the same thing happened during the cold war when Communism and Capitalism clashes.

Pity you all fools who are barking at each other...tsk tsk

songjun · 1 year ago

francis foo : unfortunately, your argument about the benefit of non existence of religion was just nulled when u said the same thing happened when communist and capitalist idealogies clashed.

Cmon, even when a branch from a tree hangs into a neighbour's yard do we humans who are 'enlightened' or 'humanist led' start a row about who's going to clean up the leaves from the branch or if the fruit grows on the neighbour's side can he take the fruit.

It is not the fault of religion at all. The fault lay within our inability to realise there are bigger more important things then squabbling over minor differences.

Aronil · 1 year ago

Heh.. yeah i noticed.. but this goes to anyone else in general if they decide to retaliate :P Happy Chinese New Year btw babes

Raising Mercury · 1 year ago

happy CNY pink pau?? the comments as i have read are pretty intense... i think everyone pretty much said what most people think (apart from a few others)...anyways, try not to feel too overwhelmed or pissed off okay? the 'bad' type of people remain unfortunately 'bad' and brainless, the best thing is to not let it get to us too much? But again, good post... youve made your point loud and clear (cheers to you darlin) long live free speech!

fern · 1 year ago

sadly 80% of malaysians behave like that :( experienced it first hand in a "national" event

ya!! WHYYYYYYYYYYY

bubblegum · 1 year ago

I just bookmarked ur blog early this year as I thought ur blog was very interesting until I came on this entry. Im quite sad reading this entry as the world is already an ugly place.. But to have u write this and others making hatred comments is even sadder. :(

People will always provoke us. But are we better when we react and write something like this. is every1 else giving hatred comments wiser as well..

I love ur blog pau. but this entry makes me really sad. :(

Random Surfer · 1 year ago

@101

So the world's ugly, and we should bury our heads in the sand?

k0k · 1 year ago

bubblegum:
we all have dissatisfaction, grievances and disillusionment right inside our hearts, and I believe, all su ann did was draw the attention of those people who hurt us to our unhappiness.

this world is an ugly place. but it'll be even uglier if people do not stand up when others spit into their faces. It might seem real mature to let others insult you and ridicule you while you remain aloof and dignified - that might work with playground bullies. But right here, right now, our silence would just mean approval of our antagonists' actions. our disinclination to tell people that they have wronged us will only enable them to wrong us at a bigger scale in the future.

We do HATE, by the way. We HATE the way we are treated. Stay silent if you please, but your declaration of moral highness - morality for the sake of morality... you disappoint me

fed up · 1 year ago

oh shut up, stop being hypersensitive...enuff with the malay and islam bashing...

songjun · 1 year ago

fed up : would u not feel the same if the two dudes in the video were chinese christians saying the reverse about malays?

there is no bashing going on here. You are the one being 'hypersensitive' because when non-muslims/malays speak out about something it is said to be 'dangerous to harmony', alot of pressure is placed on us to shut up.

but when we are bashed/made fun of, you guys ask us to shut up too.

where's the logic in that. dont be 'fed up' for the sake of not wanting to hear the truth.

shaun · 1 year ago

Simple , because we r not muslims .

fed up · 1 year ago

why cant u just see it as two idiots who made stupids comments rather than label them as stupid muslim malay idiots?why the need for labelling? are u that shallow or skin deep?

fed up · 1 year ago

and yes songjun, i'd feel the same if it were two chinese, or jewish, or indian or midgets on a unicycle for that matter..

pinkpau · 1 year ago

fed up : the very TRUTH is that two malay muslims made a racist and discriminatory video, and i am angry about it and so i want to write about it. why the need to blank out facts? :) why all this unnecessary censorship? not everyone likes to live in a bubble of ignorance and denial. there is a vast difference between labeling and reporting facts. are you one of those people who think that harmony exists as long as you pretend it does?

singaporen · 1 year ago

what is kafir?

pinkpau · 1 year ago

kafir means infidel, someone who doesnt believe in or denies the truth. it's an arabic term usually used to describe non-muslims.

fed up · 1 year ago

oh pinkpau, dont be so upset, how about showing us some tits?

fed up · 1 year ago

pink pau,

btw, would you blog if the roles were reversed? two rasict chinese making racist comments?

bubblegum · 1 year ago

I hope that all you wished you && the fellow commentors who gives hatred comment got what u wished for.

Hope you realize that you do have Muslims && Malay reader in your blog. And it is sad how you have chosen your blog to be one of "those" blog..

I wish all of you the best in life. And if u find Malaysia a not fit for living country than maybe u/all u haters shud think of migrating rather than bashing up the country u have lived in for the past how many years

I love ur blog pink pau! Its filled with interesting stories. Love the travel entries btw

songjun · 1 year ago

fed up : if it were 2 chinese ppl doing the same we would all feel the same here.

But the fact is, do u see chinese or indian ppl uploading videos like that with such bigoted and flawed opinions for the whole world to see? And urging their 'muslim brothers' to be more assertive in their religion? Did u even see the video ?

For example the Namewee issue, the dude kutuk everything and it became a national issue with the police involved and him nearly being expelled from the country. These two idiots go around expounding how 'virtuos' their religion is and how every other kafirs should be branded and etc.

Joke or no joke, the issue here is not that there were 2 idiots voicing their thoughts on the internet. The issue is that there is an unfairness in dealing with issues that partain to national racial harmony. The 2 should have been properly dealt with instead of being hushed.

fed up · 1 year ago

Songjun,

Namewee shld be expelled from Malaysia for his video because it was his country that gave him schooling, gave his family jobs to feed him etc...case of biting the hand that feeds you.
Why such hostility against a particular race/religion? I echo what bubblegum said, if you dont like it here, please please pretty please pack your sungai wang clothes in your hello kitty bag and get out of the country. Because, I am sure for the rest of your miserable pork knuckle eating life, you will feel nothing but unhappiness here. Oh and please, dont let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

songjun · 1 year ago

fed up : why do u think im in the uk? :) I packed my clothes from Top shop into a bag from KLCC and ran off to look for a job and education overseas with money from my parents who had to work hard while paying taxes to a country/government that doesnt appreciate the hard work of its '2nd class citizens', because most of the tax money goes into supporting and creating a middle class of people who think its their given right to be priviledged and accept tenders and jobs and everything else because of their race, and thus not having world class institutions i can go to for helathcare and education. Happy?

Maybe u think im 'kacang lupakan kulit' but hmm.. lets see... where did the government help me along the process? No where. Our public hospital is shit, with lines up to 6months, we pay income tax, land tax and government tax whenever we spend money hard earned. I even have my nice non halal pork whenever i want, and the door wouldnt hit me on the way out because its probably vandalised and decrepid from the state of mentality people like who you have a 'siege mentality'

anyway, did the country really give them jobs? was he under scholarship from the government of malaysia to study overseas? did the government give his parents the job they needed to sustain themselves? Im sorry, i dont think so. In fact, it is this same government that tells people that the chinese/indians should shut up and know their place or not keris's will flow with blood of the non malays. So, does that sound like we belong to a country that promises to shed blood over ethnic lines?

There is no hostility from me against race/religion. I'm from a government school, and i've mixed with all kinds of creed, race and people before. In fact, everyone here i think doesnt have any hatred to muslim/malays.

But it is the fact that people like YOU who are taking it that we are being anti-melayu/islam that sicken me. In fact, su ann knows me as pro government/pro BN etc etc. I love my country only for the fact i have lived and was raised in it. But idiots like you, who think the world is out to get malays/muslims, should re-evaluate and take a step back and see where this animosity is coming from instead of blaming anyone else. In fact, those 2 in the video was showing "HOSTILITY AGAINST A PARTICULAR RACE/RELIGION" as i quote you. They were saying that non-muslims are etc etc etc. Go watch the video. As a result of their "HOSTILITY", we are saying we feel Offended. Instead of them saying SORRY WE WERE WRONG I TAKE IT BACK, he goes on to say asinine things like saying Hitler was christian and he is evil.

And look at u dishing out racial slurs.. i didnt even say one thing about you and nor did i even assume that u are of any race/religion. However u took it to ur liberty with ur self righteous "Im being attacked for my race and religion" and spout all kind of 'slurs' at me :) For all u know i could be an indian dude.

Who's the 'hater' now?

fed up · 1 year ago

Songjun,

wow, u live in the Uk now? pay taxes in malaysia just like you pay 17.5% VAT in Uk for all consumer goods? 60% income tax? NHS queue that goes as long as 1 year? Vandalised property like in Toxteth or New Cross? Land tax as in council tax or even the good old poll tax? yeah, with all these "benefits" in UK, its really better to live there, innit? or wait, im sorry, i didnt realise you were making in up that you are living there. Im sorry...

pinkpau · 1 year ago

lol :) you're a pretty amusing person, fed up. the empty vessel saying comes to mind.

songjun, siens! come i give you mandarin orange

fed up · 1 year ago

thanks pinkpau, now how abt flashing those titties for us...

fed up · 1 year ago

oh wait, or shud i ask perhaps for world peace, cupcakes and pink lemonades?

--- · 1 year ago

fed up is a fucked up fella.

--- · 1 year ago

he prob lead a sad childhood. aww poor thing. now run along

songjun · 1 year ago

fed up : mmm why are u digressing from the point? yea at least here i dont get discriminated against for job positions, healthcare, and if all goes well, i am to be a resident here, my children's education will not be based on a quota system, and will be heavily subsidised. When applying for positions in government, it doesnt matter what color i am or even what language i speak, as long as i am skilled and can prove so, i can and will be employed and if there is discrimination, i can bring it up and have my case fought and a fair hearing metered out.

Can you say Malaysia has that?

Everywhere in the world, there will be social problems, i do not deny that. You do not answer when people challenge you with ur thought process.

You are just being deliberately asinine.

sheon · 1 year ago

fed up: what songjun said are facts........some of what you said are facts too......... but instead of fighting for ketuanan-melayu, or trying to justify why NEP is still needed now, or telling how non-bumis should just shut up or leave the country..............why cant we all stand up as malaysians and figure out how malaysia should be developing for the next 50 years?

dont we want to see malaysia be amongst the stronger and respected countries on the planet? dont we want malaysians to be proud to be malaysians?

ask ourselves this.....do you think with the current governemnt policies..we would be able to reach that goal......ever?? forget about whether its chinese that are feeling oppressed...or malays that are feeling threatened...or indians who are feeling sidelined.......the fact is.....we are all malaysians, and malaysians are all unhappy with the current state of governance.

malaysians must realise the simple truth that, racial sentiments will never go away....end of the day, we will still identify ourselves as malay, chinese or indians or whatever......the last thing we need is racial politics. a country can not prosper if every resident only think whats best for their race. the government must accept all and every citizen as malaysian. leave the racial sentiments within the confines of one's home.

the modern generation are shouting for changes.......this generation understood what globalisation means to malaysia..... inevitable doom. unless we make drastic changes to our mentality, and the way this country if governed.

sheon · 1 year ago

fed up: btw .........the argument "if you are not happy, you should just pack you bags and leave"......................this kinda mentality is primal, it is an insult to all malaysians.

anybody making this statement clearly indicates that he/she advocates this whole "1st class/2nd class citizen" thingy.

this is our country, if we are not happy, why should we leave? why dont we stay and try to change it for the better?

who OWNS this place but malaysians?.....yes, the malay sultans are our Rulers......but ultimately, MALAYSIANS own MALAYSIA!!!! lets not start the whole debate on who found malaya/melaka/etc etc......its all based on circumstantial evidence.

fed up · 1 year ago

songjun

yup, thats why racism and discrimination doesnt exist in UK and Asian will always get the high ranking post there...

Sheon,
U brought a good point about leaving Malaysia bit, too bad you undid your good argument with your silly remark about our monarchy...as it stands, Malaysia has an open border...if you cant take the so called oppression, heck leave, or even better vote...

sheon · 1 year ago

fed up: are you implying that the sultans are not out rulers then?

songjun · 1 year ago

fed up : .. ? and your point being..? Why dont you answer me on any of this points i just raised or are u too bigoted or wrapped up over your self to not recognise that we are not :

a) being racist or anti islam, i have really good muslim friends from Saudi Arabia, Sri lanka and pakistan and they are more then willing to indulge in discussion about their religion and NEVER do they impose themselves at all like some self righteous idiots portrayed around the world.

b) yes , isnt it wonderful that the Chancellor of the University of Nottingham is a Chinese person who cant even speak english properly? :) Or that the Mayor of Nottingham is an Indian? So many asians and africans who have migrated here have UNRESTRICTED ACCESS to SOCIAL WELFARE, HEALTHCARE , EDUCATION and HOUSING.

Dont be sarcastic with me.

And stop asking people to leave. Why dont YOU leave if u cant take what alot of the disenfranchised citizens of Malaysia are mumbling ? Scared? Cause no Affirmative Action towards your kin around ? Scared that without the crutches the government has setup, ur 'competitive edge' is drowned out by the rest of the world?

Grow a brain before you try and insult people. And learn how to critically assess before mouthing off.

songjun · 1 year ago

fed up : It sickens me that I support the need for NEP around and yet people like you shit things up by being bigoted fat headed full of yourself ass holes without appreciating that there is a lot of tolerating going around within all aspects of society. It is clear thru your english that u have some sort of education, yet without a logical mindset nor appreciation when there is a clear wrong in the works. All u can focus is on yourself self self, not realising the world doesnt revolve just around You or Your Belief or Your kind of people. I go around preaching to people that a moderate liberal middle class malay group will emerge and slowly reform our country but it goes to show that there are idiots like you still around.

Read this article posted by Raja Petra Kamaruddin with regards to this matter of 'toleration in malaysian society'

http://www.malaysia-today.net/2008/content/view...

Or do u think he should also SHUT UP about all the MALAY/ISLAM bashing he just put up.

fed up · 1 year ago

Songjun,

Actually, I have never been a direct beneficiary of the affirmative action as I am not Malay but I am indeed a Muslim. i was born in Malaysia but raised in UK (in the Midlands) and due to the nature of ,y profession, am now work in Singapore. But let me say this, the NHS (national health service, UK's govt healtcare provider) is in an even worse state than Malaysia, the education system is so messed up that students complete their GCSE totally unprepared for A Levels, etc...

The reason to the postings I made is simply, If you guys are so fed up, why dont you really do something? Since all these nasty racial undertone are cropping up, i will not lower myself and insult other races as I am infact married to a Chinese while hey, my grandmother is chinese too.

sheon · 1 year ago

fed up: ??? sultan being the rulers????

fed up · 1 year ago

Sheon,

are u retarded? sultans are indeed rulers. and as far as history books go, parameswara founded melaka...so what circumstantial evidence were you talking about? are u saying genghis khan founded melaka? and about owning Malaysia, Bumiputras own Malaysia (with a sly sly sly smile)

k0k · 1 year ago

Malacca was founded by Parameswara, a Hindu prince who later converted to Islam.

Malaysia was founded by a political party which was a coalition of smaller parties each representing the main ethnic groups in Malaysia.

fed up · 1 year ago

Yup, Thank you Kok.

songjun · 1 year ago

fed up : well u want me to quote you from the top of the comments? You just asked us chinese to pack up in our hello kitty bags and clothes from sg wang implying some slur to the chinese :) Now you say you dont want to imply any slurs? Bravo non malay muslim with a chinese wife.

Secondly, you have a wife and you're asking pinkpau to flash her titties? Oh such a good person you are, and working person even, with a very childish manner to proper discourse. I wont do a low blow and say wow such a pious muslim u are because, there are pious muslims and there are non pious muslims, same goes to pious and non pious buddhists, christians (dont u just love our priests) and hindus.

Thirdly, why do u ask us to shut up when we are ranting about our country, where we face these problems. You were raised in the UK so what do you know about what we are facing in the home front? Yes NHS is slow, and education is 'crappy', yet you were brought up in that system. Malaysia has NO social welfare system, where does our taxes go? At least in the UK you SEE your tax dollars at work, although it is high, social welfare spending is at least 30% of GDP as of 2005.

Fourth, i draw attention back to the Namewee issue where u say he should be expelled for not appreciating what his country has done to him. Yet, you do not appreciate that to him, his country has done NOTHING for him other then the land where he was given birth on. So, while you preach high and mighty from some corner in Singapore, i see NOTHING that you have to be fed up about because you did not go through what many of the non-muslims/malays have experienced in Malaysia.

IMO, muslims/malays in malaysia are more pressured then the non-malays/muslims. They have so much to conform to and is a society under pressure. They are at a catch 22 situation, although lumped with many 'benefits', they are always under intense scrutiny from religious groups and non-bumis. Heck, when a malay goes clubbing he/she has to be worried if JAKIM doesnt bust in and cap their sorry ass into black marias and stuff them in Islam Rehabiliation Centers. Do i hate malays? Do we hate them? no we dont. Well, i dont. I feel sorry for them.

But the main reason why we rant is because of the unfair treatment accorded. And if you dont like what is being said here, you can go back to watching videos of people saying we should brand non-muslims as Kafirs and preach using "HISTORICALLY INCORRECT SOURCES like the Gospel of Barnabes" to say Christians belief System is wrong.

k0k · 1 year ago

fed up: I think u missed my point.

sheon · 1 year ago

fed up: you are indeed rude. no argument on that.

many researches have found clues, that the land of malaya was actually discovered waaay earlier than the era when parameswara founded melaka. i do not fully accept this as the real history, as it is still not proven to be true, without a single doubt. hence i said in my statement that it is still debatable, by the historians...not us. even history itself is never 100%...........

i demand you show some respect for pinkpau now ok? you little prick.

songjun · 1 year ago

sheon : well ppl from temasek and the javanese empire all knew the existence of peninsular malaysia. It doesnt really matter who found what and etc first. And the significance of parameswara isnt that much anyway. I'm sure there were other villages around on the peninsular, the aborigines im sure.

The only reason why we learn about parameswara in our history books and are supposed to be proud of it because Melaka was once an important entreport and thus, we should be proud of it.

Only when do idiots insist on non-bumis to get lost does it get stupid because the bumis, or more specifically, orang melayu (encompasses indons, bruneians, thais etc etc etc), are descendant from a people from the Isle of Taiwan. They are on the land simply because their ancestors decided to expand out of their area. And the mainland chinese and indians also expanded out, although at a later stage. There were chinese and indians on the land during the later years before the british brought them en masse, due to trade. They decided to stay there, the same way mr parameswara decided to flee from Temasek to avoid the Javanese Empire.

So if they want to ask non bumis to get lost, they should ask themselves to get lost and let the nice aborigines who stay in the hills of frasers and other areas govern our pretty land.

sheon · 1 year ago

fed up: learn from songjun how to make a proper argument/debate.

songjun: well said.

fed up · 1 year ago

I just love getting all these replies...ok, ill show some respect, how abt flash just one tit?

anonymous · 1 year ago

fed up: omg shut up already. you obviousy have no better comeback, do you? Songjun-1, fed up-0. Game over.

fed up · 1 year ago

wat? 1-0? where did that come from? i said get lost to people who are so unhappy with malaysia that it makes them moan, complain and bitch abt it....and if we wanna talk abt the original inhabitants of a country, well, where shall we start? UK, saxons, celts, US, native americans, aussies, abos...kiwis, maoris, so, lets trace back why chinese where brought to Malaya in the first place...

anonymous · 1 year ago

so the next time you're unhappy with your company/boss/colleague you wont moan, complain and bitch about it and just quit your job? -.- just read what you're saying its stupid. if it were so easy to just get out and leave all the non-malays would already have and we'll see how well Malaysia will do without them.

pinkpau · 1 year ago

hey guys,

it's very obvious we arent quite on the same wavelength as Fed Up. so lets leave it at that :) it's pretty clear which side of the argument the coherence and logic rests on.

songjun · 1 year ago

rofl!! anonymous's reply about moaning is right on the dot! HAHA Good one mate.

pinkpau · 1 year ago

hahaha i know i know :P i was giggling like crazy.

okay songjun dont make so much noise oredi. come we play scrabble

fed up · 1 year ago

can i join u guys playing scrabble?

songjun · 1 year ago

yay! lets go! *hold hand and skip skip away to scrabble

pinkpau · 1 year ago

hahaha songjun u dumbhead

sheon · 1 year ago

now....see? we are all civilized after all.....hahahahaha

zewt · 1 year ago

what's new... it's the same thing during the bocor issue. and i will never forget the champion of female rights aka sharizat came up and say... i accept the apology.

as for this one... try cracking a joke linking pigs to... u know... and turn around and say it's a joke... see what will happen?

such is our country...

*shaking head* · 1 year ago

Most of you in here are still fighting about race and religion. That's exactly wat BN is looking for. The more people hate the Malays/muslims, the easier UMNO will win in this year's general election. I myself am a malay (mom's an acheh, dad's an arab/pakistani/chinese mix, so I'm malay. Go figure), and reading these kind of posts ALMOST made me want to vote for BN, out of spite! I said almost, so calm down. So please, remember that these tyrants are just a few bad seeds amongst the millions of other decent malays. We are not all stupid and slow and bodoh-sombong and power mad you know. And it's not smart to start insulting and hating the rest of the malays because of them, the hatred can backfire. See us as your allies, not your foes. and if you don't get what I meant, go learn up on the law of attraction.

sheon · 1 year ago

*shaking head*: for the record, we don't dislike malays or islam or muslims in general. i am all pro-bangsa malaysia, i am pro democracy. but i am disagreeing with many of our policies that i am sure is detrimental not only to malaysia, but malaysians and malays.

skeat · 1 year ago

Wow intense. Good stuff :D

abby · 1 year ago

the topic is too controversial.. Im scared :S

TOLANIC@POYOZER · 1 year ago

it just a muslim extremist..the real muslims are not like that..so, just ignore them

tergelak sebentar · 1 year ago

Hahaha. Tergelak sebentar.
Disebabkan dua orang Islam yang sangat cetek pengetahuannya tentang agama mereka sendiri, tercetuslah isu yang sebegini. Haih. Kononnya mereka hebat. Kononnya mereka saja yang betul. Orang-orang sebegini lah yang menyebabkan bangsa Melayu dan agama Islam dipandang rendah oleh masyarakat kita. Bak kata pepatah,kerana nila setitik,rosak susu sebelanga.
Kalau semua orang berfikiran kolot macam dua orang tu, sampai bila pun kita tak maju. You know, people like them are the ones that tarnish the beauty of the religion. Islam does not teach its followers to downgrade other relegions. Since little, we are thought to respect other people, regardless their race and religion. Tak ada satu pun agama kat dunia ni yang menyuruh kita keji agama lain. I just don't understand why some people act the way they do. Akal ada, tapi entah lah letaknya kat mana. Boleh pulak nak suruh orang bukan Islam men-tattoo kan ayat sebegitu di dahi. To me, those two + denied + fedup are just plain stupid and ignorant. Memalukan betul. Cakap tanpa berfikir. Yes, I'm a Muslim. And I'm embarassed by the fact that there are Muslims like them. They're only muslim on the surface. Hanya pada nama. Pada dasarnya, Tuhan saja yang tahu. Ask them, whether they know the real meaning of Islam. Ask them, whether they practice the teachings in the Quran. I don't think so. For a true Muslim doesn't act that way. Downgrading other race and relegions. Lain kali, sebelum memandai nak cakap apa-apa, cermin lah diri tu dulu. Main sedap mulut je nak cakap. Apa yang diperkatakan tak berasas pulak tu. Tsk tsk tsk. Malu lah pada diri sendiri. Dan jika benar mereka tu Islam, malu lah pada Allah. Sesungguhnya Allah maha mengetahui,maha mendengar dan maha melihat apa yang kamu lakukan. And to malays out there, jangan lah cepat melatah bila orang mengata kaum melayu. Apa yang orang kata tu semua nya betul. Kalau orang kata sikit je dah nak melatah, sampai bila pun tak maju dik oi. Sudah-sudah lah tu menyalahkan orang lain. Just because Malays have the privilege, doesnt mean the country belongs to you. Bagi pengiktirafan sikit, dah lupa diri. Bak kata Mahathir, melayu memang mudah lupa. Tak sedar diuntung.
But do bear in mind, not all malays are like that. Jangan disebabkan seorang dua yang berkelakuan buruk, semua orang melayu dan orang Islam dipandang serong. I don't intend to kutuk orang melayu.
I'm a malay too. But what to do, it's all facts. Truth hurts, reality bites, no? Anyways, yeah. Good job PinkPau! You're not hesitant in voicing out your opinion. Keep 'em coming! :)

tergelak sebentar · 1 year ago

woops. typo. *religion

nymph · 1 year ago

i want to share this with you.

it's the first day of university for the 5,000 students seated in the hall. the vice chancellor gets up to make a speech. and the first words out of his mouth are about how lucky we are that they the government created this akta which allows, nay, INSISTS that admission into public university (which is run by tax payers' money - OF ALL RACES) is decided based on race and NOT MERIT. also, he says, we should be grateful for the same akta as we wouldn't have vice chancellors of a specific race as before the akta it was based on merit and therefore it was unfair. so he told us - be grateful for we live in a fair country.

and you know what? of the 5,000 students seated there 4,999 took no offense with that *bleep*ing speech.

HUH?!?!?!?!?!

that is antipathy for you. or maybe they just weren't paying attention (i hope). or maybe they agreed with the jack***. shouldn't alarm bells be going off when some "yang berhormat yada-yada" can admit the wrongful manipulations of our ruling government in front of thousands. not only admit but brag about it and admonishing the audience to "bersyukur".

this brings to mind something i read about islam. one of their principles states that we should have "the right person for the right job". clearly this is being violated.

i say, where is fariness? where is equality? where is common shame, at least? to brag about how you stole the job you have from some deserving person. i am finally speechless.

m-elle · 1 year ago

well, this IS a malay country... runned by MALAY ppl...
so of course it is a bit, correction .. 100% biased and unfair to us...
and yes, muslims can get away with everything... urh..
thank god dap and pkr won so many seats in this year's elections!!!...
cant wait for the day to come when all those stupid racist 'leaders' finally get replaced...

december · 1 year ago

'tis late, i know - still, i need to iterate that i found this post (and its comments) utterly refreshing. i have similar views and there is not one moment i can freely say what i want about it for fear of inciting hatred. maybe ISA detention haha.

but it is no laughing matter when we cannot question a constitution that was created in the late 1950s - blatant in placing malays and sabah/sarawakian natives in a special position, which based on today's standards, smacks of discrimination. i am all for helping a fellow malaysian with no regards to race or religion, but what i don't get is the denial of opportunities in work, loans and education just because i do not fall under the "special" category. yet, when singapore was making a huge hoo-ha over the water pricing, malaysia told them to stop living in the past and move forward to the future.

wait, say WHAT?

our blessed leaders claim to desire advancements - selective distortion, no? how can we say we ask to move forward when we still treat other races as 2nd class? oh, no such thing as 2nd class? then why are we told to leave malaysia for china, india, etc.? are we not worthy of carrying the malaysian nationality simply because we are dissatisfied with certain issues? or ungrateful? we have been here for the last 2-3 generations and still, we are made to feel that since we have not been here longer, we have less right to speak up about this. 2ND CLASS, i say.

we are a democracy. at least, i think we are. practice what we preach.

* to tergelak sebentar: thank you for trying to understand why other races have felt marginalised, whether or not it is an undisputed fact. i only wish more people were like you:)

* pinkpau: love your blog. any tips for setting up one of my own? i have too many rants and pet peeves to vent about. much appreciated:)