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lovie — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:45:34 -0000

The cab driver is so nice, sayang his wife so much. How I wish I can have a husband like that in the future. Who doesn't like to be pampered and all? =)
Cheer up girl. *hugs*

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songjun — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:35:29 -0000

sheon : you're basing figures on pictures whose timing and location was not corelated. Also, one did not take into account the inflow and outflow of people and the 'flow rate' of people. a picture might snap the number at that point in time but without those considerations, u cant say u can tell its about 200k. even the organisers say its about 40 - 50k , max 100k and gov figs are about 10k max, so u can estimate based on biasness , about 40 - 50 to be about right. And well, that makes them arm chair supporters :) want to talk about change and complain but dont want to risk a little brutality?whats that all about.

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songjun — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:28:39 -0000

jeff : -.- no u dont get my point. Im talking about the theory of democracy. Of course i dont mean literally about that cannibal thing. Im talking about the tenets of 'free speech' lots of people tend to overuse.

Barring the example of the cannibal, lets say, i will use your example of 'limit to unlimited free speech'.

"If the leader of a hate group rallies a group together and announces to all of them - now go find a Christian or a Muslim and beat them to death, and they go to do that, that injures others’ rights and freedoms."

It is their right to voice their disdain for a race / religion is it not? if i can raise my voice against government, why cant i not rally against my neighbour who happens to be of a different creed? What is to stop me from saying " oh i hate christians because they have such a holier than thou attitude and the bible is wrong". Although lets say the rallier keeps saying stuff like that and provoking without actually saying 'lets go hunt them down', someone somewhere is going to break and then things will start to happen.

So who sets the arbitary limit to that limitation? What right has anyone to set a limit? As i said before, ethics, law and morality is subjective and arbitary. To a conservative religionist, my right to bomb an abortion clinic is a right given by God and supercedes any 'right' by humans.

anyway, democracy led to the rise of hitler note in case :) And america has toppled/supported the toppling of many democratically elected leaders before and continue to support dictator/autocratic countries.

We talk about freedom of speech and freedom of this and that, without realising how hypocritical it is sometimes it is to yap about it yet when i say NIGGER, everyone goes.. no no you shouldnt say that.

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Jeff from LA — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:32:43 -0000

That's why we have democracies, so that everyone has an equal opportunity to opine on what infringes on their rights.

No cannibalistic society has ever been a true democracy. They have all been theocracies ruled by crazy power-mad priests or tyrannical governments run by a tribal chief or a tribal council. There never has been a cannibalistic society where every member of the society has an equal vote. Why? Because given the choice, no member of the tribe would like to put themselves at risk of being eaten.

Moreover, no democracy has ever decided to become a cannibalistic society. That seems to provide evidence for the contention that when you get enough people together and give them an equal voice, there are certain freedoms and beliefs that they agree that everyone ought to have, and one of those beliefs is that eating one another is wrong. To say that a democracy could theoretically/abstractly lead to such extremes as cannibalism is to deny the evidence we have seen in history.

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songjun — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:12:49 -0000

jeff : yes, but who sets those 'decisions'? Those decisions are as arbitary as the person who sets them themselves.

IE my example regarding cannibalism.

If the cannibal sets a law saying u have to eat human flesh when u attain adolescence, well... u have to. And the cannibalist society does not view that as 'wrong'

Yet in a 'civilised' society, cannibalism is wrong. But, why is it wrong? Where is the limit?

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Jeff from LA — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:43:03 -0000

songjun, I'm the biggest believer in free speech, but I have to say that allowing unlimited free speech impinges on the freedoms and rights of others.

For example, allowing someone to scream "fire" in a crowded theater could cause great injury to others if people panic and everyone pushes, shoves and tramples one another. Another example is hate speech. If the leader of a hate group rallies a group together and announces to all of them - now go find a Christian or a Muslim and beat them to death, and they go to do that, that injures others' rights and freedoms.

I think the proper goal of democracy is to allow unlimited freedom as possible where those freedoms do not injure the freedoms or rights of another. Where those freedoms do injure the rights of another, we have to analyze what is more important to the overall society, the individual's freedom or the freedom of others not to be injured by that individual's decision.

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songjun — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:48:42 -0000

no la u dont get my point.

true democracy , ie freedom or 'right' to what ever i want to do and say , means there shouldnt be such things as law, justice etc. because all these are arbitary. What makes wrong wrong?

Wrong is only what we deem it to be. Can you tell me exactly what makes me insulting your mom 'wrong'? Its my right as a human being to have free speech what.You saying that u will charge me in court for saying what i want to say is already an infringement of my basic 'human rights' and therefore undemocratic already. The very threat of not being able to say what i want defies the very statement of democracy itself.

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sheon — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:32:10 -0000

hey...sorry....i dunno how my name got replaced with "songjun".. maybe its my fault.......

THE ABOVE COMMENT IS MINE ---- "sheon".....my apologies to songjun

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songjun — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:30:11 -0000

songjun, you sure you're in your early twenties? :P

about the size of the BERSIH rally, some put the figure at 130,000+ ppl; the photos clearly shows a sea of no less than 40,000 participants! IF the intimidation tactics were not carried out by the police, i am very sure that the crowd would touch close to 200,000!! so many of my frens and colleagues who were very keen to join the rally, held back becoz they didnt want to be on the receiving end of police brutality!

irregardless of what the real figure stands at, the truth is that many citizens are really upset of the gomen. and they braved all intimidations and threats to tell the agong this. and the gomen is refuting this simple fact and going for technicality.....the rally was unlawful lar.....it is politicized lar......got hidden agenda lar......

malaysians are still not politically matured enough for a total democracy. well, in fact, i think i can live with agreeing with this statement. however, if our politicians are doing this for the good of the nation,...then yes....you have my support. but, NO, our politicians are abusing this ......idea, to make themself wealthy and whatnot.

songjun, you/we understand your/our options. and you/we are free to make your choice of who to support. but, how many folks out there are without the resources (internet, free alternative media) that we enjoy? and made their decisions based on biased and controlled information?

true democracy risks having you curse my mother without having me beating the lights outta you? thats why we need an independent and equally powerful court that i can go to charge you for defamation or whatnot..and then have another independent branch called the police&aca to catch crooks like you who abuses the system.

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songjun — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:20:11 -0000

and cmon.

if u talk about money? London just broke news on Gordon Brown's labour party receiving illegal money. America's lobbyist tendencies is just making legal what we deem illegal here. Even in america, the whistleblowers were put down. It is not until certain reputed journalistic people decided to blow it out.

The very point that we can and do hear about all these scandals is that our government isn't as autocratic and controlling as we ( or oppositionists) say that it is. If they wanted to, all media could have been controlled. 0 bad news, and concentrate on stuff like rape and george soros 'at it again'. 2000 doesnt constitute thousands and thousands, and i hardly doubt that BERSIH was attended by more then 20% proffesionals. i expect 50% at least to not even come from the immediate surrounding areas of KL/selangor. and i believe again you are exaggerating the claim of hundreds of thousands marching.

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songjun — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:10:43 -0000

sheon : i lost a whole load of comments and i cant be bothered to repost haha got coursework to do. anyway, to sum it up,

It is too early for malaysia to be without some form of autocracy. Like Lenin did to Russia, he implemented Karl Marx's ideas too early. And he used it to his own political whims anyway. To understand why I dont think full fledge democracy is going to work right now in our country, read this. And why i think Bersih's manipulation is a tragedy.

http://www.fims.uwo.ca/peop...

It is a lengthy heavy read, but will give u an insight to why 'eastern' countries cannot afford to have full fledged freedom yet. There are still too many idiots around to leave the decision of millions into the hands of a majority collective of idiots. BN is doing rather well, giving a sense of democracy yet at the same time shaping direction. I didnt say i wont give a chance to DAP to lead, but as far as im concerned, BN's getting it right somewhat. And I will continue to be pro bn until they get totally out of hand.

I am a cnyist realist. I do not believe in true freedom. According to democratic freedom , and post modern "political correctness" it is quite a hypocrisy to have such things as 'the rule of law' then. It is also hypocritical to believe in ethics and morality also. Because , ethics, morality and law are arbitary motions of thought. The cannibal enacts a law that NOT eating human flesh is wrong. The civilised person enacts laws against eating human flesh because he/she views it as dehumanising. Deconstructing both views shows us a dichotomy of 'law,ethics and morality'. True 'democracy' would then be being able to do whatever i feel is what i want done. To say what ever i want, to insult your mom without you beating the hell out of me for doing so.
Can u foresee our country with total freedom? Printing 'alternative' press that contain racist connotations is deemed 'freedom of speech'. One thing leads to another and yoohoo what do we have? :)

Once we develop into maybe Singapore like status, then can we afford true emancipation. Believe me. Karl Marx has it right in most things.

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pinkpau — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:52:01 -0000

hahahahahhaha jeff oh my god what a find

HAHAHAHHAA

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Jeff from LA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:24:56 -0000

Please note that I'm only making fun of the person that wrote that entry, not your school. Your school sounds incredibly prestigious from the Wikipedia entry.

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Jeff from LA — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:23:50 -0000

Pinkpau, I knew you attended Taylor's College so I randomly decided to read the Wikipedia entry on Taylor's and I noticed this hilarious line (I copied and pasted it exactly as it is in the entry):

In the South Australian Matriculation (SAM) programme 30% of Taylor's students score in the top 10% of the total SAM population in the entire world and 60% scores the top 20% but it's due to the aisan kia-su attitude not the teaching quality.

I think its awesome that the Wikipedia entry refers to the "aisan kia-su attitude." I don't see that phrase in Wikipedia too often. It makes it even better that whoever wrote it even spelled Asian wrong.

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chm — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:54:52 -0000

gr8... sent 12 smses 2 thee star n none came out. guess y? :P

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Michelle — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:51:48 -0000

I devote like 3 hours to read it everyday. And SPM is already over, so I'm happy about it.

Hey, pinkpau, I've got a question: Do you use a macbook? Or do you know anyone who uses a macbook? I need some help about the internet connection and the airport extreme thingmajiggy.

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sheon — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:40:07 -0000

its just branding, c'mon, they never had the kind of financial support bn has enjoyed over the years to build their 'brand'. but their policies on governing are better than bn, isnt it? then why dont we all give DAP a chance to represent US in parliament?

(lets not forget that pm took rm600m from national coffers to give rm3m to each umno constituency earlier this year for “development” konon. Taxpayers’ money for party spending, now how much more easier does money go their way?)

well, i must admit bn's policies are good also on paper at least, but there are just too many holes in their implementation and execution! excellent policies not carried out properly still amounts to nothing.

dap, keadilan, pas, etc etc have all voiced out their displeasure in the parliament. bn rebuked by saying the opposition was not supported by the rakyat. ok, fine. then the gomen got from bad to worse, and recently, it got completely out of hand! blatant corruption in every single gomen offices and department. skeletons and dirty laundry revealed to the public by whistleblowers. evidences and proofs thrown on the table. public outcries for thorough investigations were responded with sweet promises of complete transparency and high profile arrests. But in the end, the whistleblowers got crucified instead, and the accused got acquited. and the issues quietly swept under the carpet of oblivion.

Eventually, thousands and thousands of lawyers marched demanding reforms; tens of thousands (if not hundred of thousands) of professionals, business ppl, labourers, executives, students took to the streets supporting BERSIH and HINDRAF….all asking for reforms and improvements.

but it seems that bn just doesnt care anymore....they got too comfortable with basking in the glory of the last election they had forgotten their duties to the rakyat. they are f@cking taking us for granted!

BN was exactly what our nation needed in the earlier post-merdeka days. However, it is apparent that Malaysia, badly needs a revamp to its internal policies. BN policies are PROVEN failures. Not DAP’s. so why dun we give DAP a chance to prove you skeptics wrong?

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TheRealAnonymous — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:12:17 -0000

Cuteee... almost reminds me of what used to be, and what could've been... =(

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so-so/ok-ok pinkshirtz — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:01:38 -0000

Not studying abroad .. not yet... in IMU ... crazy ass kiasu people here (including me)!

Woo hoo ... glad to know that (price)! Might even end up popping two on credit c. X)

is it just me or is there a smily face at the bottom most of your blog?

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Jeff from LA — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:22:10 -0000

Ok, cool. Don't worry about not applying to USC, you sounded stressed enough with all the deadlines. I hope you still go to school in CA though. Those people that end up going to school in the Midwest or the South always amaze me because I was born in the US and I could still never live in those places.

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songjun — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:27:19 -0000

eh sorry, my history on ap is wrong. It was supposed to be for bumi entrepneurs to get into the car sales business.

anyway, it was NEP related but abused and misused. Have to understand the context it was in.

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songjun — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:15:21 -0000

pinkpau : :O u communist! are u curtailing my right to free speech? Im gonna hold a demonstration at ur house now. I wont need a police permit because im only 1 person out of 5 permitted under the illegal gathering act HAHA

sheon : hmm

NEP : i have mentioned before i am pro NEP, just have to augment it to disregard race and allow it to be based more on poverty. In any case, i honestly think that without some form of this NEP earlier, our friends the malay would be very much left behind without the emergent middle class we have now

education : surprisingly, i find out education sufficient enough. I dont think there's anything wrong with it, what we have a lack of is quality teachers/teaching. And maybe our history structure could have a bit of updating but other then that, it is sufficient to compare with lots of other countries.

power sharing : as far as i am concerned, no other alternative party has at least a power sharing centered policy(or the inkling of it) (maybe PKR has but i really think PKR is useless). I think DAP has lots of potential,, but sadly, it is seen as a 'chinese' party predominantly.

employment and civil service sector : ALL civil service are not merit based but how-long-u-spend-in-this-hole-we-call-work based. Even governments overseas, with exception of Singapore. But majority of governments do not operate like a private company and promote and hire according to talent/skill. IMO, singapore is run like a corporate company, and thats what we should do for most developing countries till we all get out act together and our mindset has developed to western 'maturity'

AP : AP was conceived a long time ago to allow people to import cars they had bought whilst they were overseas and is by nature supposed to be a one off goodwill thing. However, certain quarters have abused it, as with all goodwill charters. Anyway, whats wrong with AP? it just reduces the price of the car to pretax levels what. Every person is entitled to one AP. I'd be happy to be able to bring in my personal property for minimal tax.

highway concession: i dont like mr sammy velu cos he usurps all our money in having stupid things like that. However, as im not familiar with highway construction policies overseas, i cant say if its a norm or not. Nominally, i'd guess its to protect the bumi company from going bust accidentally haha

MP issue : as i said, i hate the party whip policy. as good as having the veto in the UN. I remember a major issue regarding the whip earlier 3 years ago i think. When my dad explained to me why the mp couldnt break ranks, i was furious. Especially if it was for a good intent. And as to whether our MPs represent us, barring that electoral influence is minimal, they are there because they were voted there. Grass root MPs actually do represent the majority of their constituents. Its just the slight margin ones who dont. I have no hard facts on how many of the mps won on marginal wins, so cant say more. But i agree the whip is idiotic. Bersih should have marched for that too, but they wont because its not something the opposition wants changed, they want to take over.

judiciary : its not in bn's agenda to control the judiciary what, im sure if PAS took over they'd want to control.. well not control, but have STRONG INFLUENCE in it. DAP and PKR are probably best fixing that up

mass media : aiyah all media is biassed la. Look at Fox network, CNN, russian media. All owned by various governmental positions.

i didnt say BN is perfect, but overall, they're the lesser of two. Again, i see a lot of potential within DAP, but the problem is with their branding. People still view it as the alternative MCA.

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foreverjas — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:31:00 -0000

all the best yah!!! u can do it! sure want u lah!!! hehe

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chm — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:39:04 -0000

good god... saw my earlier message... part of it missin ... my coll comp lab so slow till cnt even post a full comment.... >.

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Angeline — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:18:36 -0000

how's chris rice for you dear